History of CRM in Australia
Such was the success and high regard that CRM was held in, Didnt the first course attended by a couple of PX Captains end in fisticuffs, with one of them knocked out? Classic conflict resolution.🤣 GC was one of the protagonists...forgot the other.
I'm sorry to say "Leady" but your
sounds like sour grapes dating back perhaps to the Blue team and the Red Team scenario.
However if you insist with your line then I can add some QANTAS Captains were well known to respond to a greeting of "Good Morning" with "Thank you".
TAA's course was called ATM, the T standing for Team which is what we were.
CC
All I am seeing here is the rather ridiculous TAA nonsense that "TAA knows it all" and Qantas knows nothing.
However if you insist with your line then I can add some QANTAS Captains were well known to respond to a greeting of "Good Morning" with "Thank you".
TAA's course was called ATM, the T standing for Team which is what we were.
CC
I'm sorry to say "Leady" but your sounds like sour grapes dating back perhaps to the Blue team and the Red Team scenario.
However if you insist with your line then I can add some QANTAS Captains were well known to respond to a greeting of "Good Morning" with "Thank you".
TAA's course was called ATM, the T standing for Team which is what we were.
CC
However if you insist with your line then I can add some QANTAS Captains were well known to respond to a greeting of "Good Morning" with "Thank you".
TAA's course was called ATM, the T standing for Team which is what we were.
CC
It long pre-dated the takeover of TAA by QF ---- the determined non-cooperation went back to pre-jet days --- indeed late 1940s.
To say the "culture" of the two organisations was diametrically opposed would be the understatement of the week.
A company, Q.A.N.T.A.S Ltd., that started off as a listed public company, and always traded as a public company (unlisted) even when almost all the shares were owned by the Commonwealth, versus the National Airlines Commission, a Labor government creation designed as the starting point for the nationalization of all Australian airlines, and trading as Trans Australia Airlines, TAA.
"TAA" was always grotesquely inefficient, hence the two airline policy, because Menzies didn't have the inclination to can TAA . But that is another story of short term political thinking, and politicians being snowed by "public servants" --- sound familiar.
At the time of the QF takeover, "TAA" was fundamentally broke, despite almost $900M being pumped into it in the year before by Treasury, mostly to fund the pension scheme, which was technically insolvent.
Tootle pip!!
That's quite correct.
I did the KHUFAC Instructors course in 1983.
We initially attended a 2 day presentation by a KLM Captain who designed the course for KLM after the horrendous Tenerife Disaster. From this presentation about 6 ( not exactly sure of numbers ) were chosen to be instructors.
After the course we did a week of training at the Hawthorn Institute of Technology to learn how to best present and manage these courses. This was a very valuable course as it really helped with instructing and getting the word across more effectively.
There were about half a dozen Instructors , 2 from Qld were myself and Bob Delissa.
It was run by Captains who had done the Instructors course and the course itself was a mix of Capt's. F/O's and F/E's.
The course was generally well received although there were always those who resented changes.
That's about all I can recall that may be pertinent.
I did the KHUFAC Instructors course in 1983.
We initially attended a 2 day presentation by a KLM Captain who designed the course for KLM after the horrendous Tenerife Disaster. From this presentation about 6 ( not exactly sure of numbers ) were chosen to be instructors.
After the course we did a week of training at the Hawthorn Institute of Technology to learn how to best present and manage these courses. This was a very valuable course as it really helped with instructing and getting the word across more effectively.
There were about half a dozen Instructors , 2 from Qld were myself and Bob Delissa.
It was run by Captains who had done the Instructors course and the course itself was a mix of Capt's. F/O's and F/E's.
The course was generally well received although there were always those who resented changes.
That's about all I can recall that may be pertinent.
My memory of it, I wasn't multi crew myself until the late 80's it was definately around then in some form but not really taken all that seriously until around 2000 when the statement "Captain You Must Listen" and "Taking Over" was written into the crew operating manuals as a very defined procedure. I don't know if it has ever been used in practice in the real world..
In answer to Checklist Charlie (post no 4) It was called Aircrew Team Management. I did it at Healesville in 1987 and the facilitators were Tony Wison and Bob Upham. I still have the handout. I enjoyed it.
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First CRM I recall with our private operator was run by Lyndon Haskett mid 90's. On a later course run by one of own pilots he asked the question "who is responsible for setting standards?", a couple of pilots answered "chief pilot". Wrong answer, the chief pilot hit the roof, apparently the correct answer was "the crewroom".
My memory of it, I wasn't multi crew myself until the late 80's it was definately around then in some form but not really taken all that seriously until around 2000 when the statement "Captain You Must Listen" and "Taking Over" was written into the crew operating manuals as a very defined procedure. I don't know if it has ever been used in practice in the real world..
The whole reason you don’t know if it’s been used in practice is because the use of such statements has prevented an accident that has been well publicised.
Imagine if the F/O of KLM in Tenerife had said “NO” and prevented the Captain from taking off in 1977. The world would have no idea that incident ever occurred.
