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Old 14th Oct 2018, 06:30
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Theoretically, yes you can get a job as an instructor aka CFI, then wait till you get offered a job
at an airline then try to accept it.

But, first you would have to do the near impossible and get an E3 for an instructing job.
You might as well have a PHd in astrophysics and ask for an E3 for window cleaning at minimum wage.
If you had expertise in polishing lens for the worlds largest telescope then you would get your E3
even if you never finished highschool because the job required a PHd etc.

Lets suppose you get your E3 Instructor gig.
That's when you need to be aware that USIS on "renewals" do not like incountry "renewals"
They expect, you will take a vacation back to Aus to "renew" it.
If you "change" employers, it could, be seen as an early renewal and the same magnifying glass comes out
to see if you have "non immigrant intent" that you do not intend to immigrate to the US.
The word is they are looking carefully at those who are using Australian citizenship as a stepping stone
to US citizenship.

The classic denial would be say, a week after you get Australian Citizenship, you apply for a US E3.
Thats when you fall into the 20% of rejected E3 applications.





Originally Posted by bafanguy
Bell,

Would a person theoretically be able to get a FI job under one E3 and apply to a regional for a new E3 at the airline ?

Ooops...I see you answered that question with your post just above. It's early here...need more coffee.
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Renewing E-3 visa

Originally Posted by Ramjet555
They expect, you will take a vacation back to Aus to "renew" it.
In reality you can renew it anywhere outside the US. Canada, for example.

When I had an E-3 I renewed it one time in Vienna.
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Sorry,
That's incorrect. Lets stick to facts.
An F-1 is a Student Visa. It is not for employment as an instructor.
An E-3 Visa is for a either an inexperienced Airline Pilot with a Bachelor's degree to work in a "Specialty Occupation" such as An Airline flying A-B routes.
This does not necessarily cover "Flight Instruction" unless the position falls into a "specialty occupation" which not all schools fall into.

Do NOT believe any of the adverts you see for Flight Instructors in the USA, especially the advert by IASCO
as there is no evidence to date that they have in fact ever hired a single Australian Instructor who did not also have
US Citizenship or already in the USA with a prior legal right to work in the USA.

I've helped Australians get jobs in Canada and that process is "doable"
but the USA is a far higher order of difficulty regardless of the fact
that the USA is desperate for Flight Instructors, Ground Instructors, Crop Spraying Pilots etc.

I have seen no sign that this has changed. If you are thinking of working in North America
as a non-airline pilot, Canada is effectively scooping many of the foreign
pilots that might otherwise fill the demand in the USA.
Again, if you know that the above is incorrect, please send me a PM.

If you actually know of a single case, please PM me.




Originally Posted by Bellthorpe
You're right. My bad.



Sure. They can *apply*. If they're successful, they have to re-apply for a new E-3 visa with the new employer. The existing visa cannot be "moved over" to the new employer.

The E-3 visa is great. Easy to get, simple, indefinitely extensible. But it does have its limitations, and this is one of them. One other advantage is that the visa holders's spouse can get a work permit, and work at anything at all.

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Old 18th Oct 2018, 04:28
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Originally Posted by Ramjet555
Sorry,
That's incorrect. Lets stick to facts.
An F-1 is a Student Visa. It is not for employment as an instructor.
An E-3 Visa is for a either an inexperienced Airline Pilot with a Bachelor's degree to work in a "Specialty Occupation" such as An Airline flying A-B routes.
This does not necessarily cover "Flight Instruction" unless the position falls into a "specialty occupation" which not all schools fall into.

Do NOT believe any of the adverts you see for Flight Instructors in the USA, especially the advert by IASCO
as there is no evidence to date that they have in fact ever hired a single Australian Instructor who did not also have
US Citizenship or already in the USA with a prior legal right to work in the USA.

I've helped Australians get jobs in Canada and that process is "doable"
but the USA is a far higher order of difficulty regardless of the fact
that the USA is desperate for Flight Instructors, Ground Instructors, Crop Spraying Pilots etc.

I have seen no sign that this has changed. If you are thinking of working in North America
as a non-airline pilot, Canada is effectively scooping many of the foreign
pilots that might otherwise fill the demand in the USA.
Again, if you know that the above is incorrect, please send me a PM.

If you actually know of a single case, please PM me.
Ramjet555, I don't think what you wrote is correct.

The E3 visa, ISN'T for an INEXPERIENCED airline pilot.

A person from Australia can get an E3 visa for a flight instructor job in the U.S, as long as they have a Bachelor degree or
the relevant years of experience, the aviation company sponsoring an applicant, has to send out the required documentation,
and undertake the same processing as a regional airline.

What you're forgetting, is, there are ten's of thousands of E3 visa's issued each year to Australians, wanting to work in the U.S.
Aviation, piloting, is probably less than a few percent of all E3 visas issued.
The E3 visa is a professional visa.

E3 visas for aviation piloting, aren't just limited to jobs at regional airlines, but also include, flight instruction and corporate flying jobs.
The same process is involved in getting an E3 visa, an applicant must satisfy the required qualifications,work experience and have a job offer.
 
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As CNN says, you are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to change the facts from reality.
You are grossly misleading readers and its very obvious you do NOT know what you are talking about.

The facts are, in 2017 the US issued Australian's 5,657 E-3 Visas and NOT "tens of thousands each year".


The FACT IS, Relatively Inexperienced Australian Pilots, with enough experience to get US FAA ATP who DO NOT HOLD A DEGREE are getting jobs in the USA with AIRLINES.

It is not the Pilot or the Instructor who requires the degree if they have sufficient experience to equal a degree.
That is, a degree is NOT required for an E-3 if they have experience.

Other wise you would have Pilots with degrees able to take Ramp Rat jobs or jobs as aircraft cleaners etc.
The object of the legislation is to protect American Jobs that do not require a degree or specialist training / experience.

Kindly show me me just one example of an E-3 Visa issued to anyone other than an Airline position.
You also claimed E-3's are issued to "Corporate flying jobs, flight instruction".
While this is technically possible there does not be any evidence to support your claim.
PM's welcome. Please do not post unless you know what you are talking about.

I will stress this again, for an E-3 Visa, THE JOB MUST QUALIFY before an Authorization can be issued, and that's a prerequisite essential document
before you can ask for an embassy interview.
Your posted information could well cost an unwitting person thousands of dollars in a guaranteed to fail application.
IF you know of any such jobs that have qualified, please advise by PM before you post and possibly repeat misleading readers of the forum.
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Kindly show me me just one example of an E-3 Visa issued to anyone other than an Airline position.

Response:

Other industries, engineering, medical, legal.
Tonnes of E3 visas are issued each year.
Thousands.

E3 isn't just limited to aviation (regional jet flying positions).
E3 can be issued to flight instructor jobs, provided, all the requirements are MET, if an applicant chooses to work in that field,
AND there is a job offer.

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That is, a degree is NOT required for an E-3 if they have experience.

Response:

Correct, a degree isn't required, if an applicant has 12 years of working experience in their applicable industry,
or a combination of both.

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The FACT IS, Relatively Inexperienced Australian Pilots, with enough experience to get US FAA ATP who DO NOT HOLD A DEGREE are getting jobs in the USA with AIRLINES.

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They passed the interview process and had job offers.
That's THEIR business, on how EACH person got an E3.
I wouldn't call 1,500 hours as INEXPERIENCED.

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Ramjet555, you are GROSSLY mistaken on the issuing and requirements of an E3 visa.
 
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Again, you are mixing Fact with Fiction and calling me a liar
under the veneer of GROSSLY mistaken?
It's called passive aggressive behaviour.

You are starting to sound like D.J.T.
You change the subject and deflect with irrelevant facts.
Now instead of "thousands of E-3's a year"
you try to cover your rear by saying "tonnes of E-3's" and
then deliberately attempt to confuse the reader by
changing the subject of those "Thousands ? Tonnes" to other industries
which are irrelevant.


I've repeatedly challenged you to provide a single example
that you know of an Instructor getting an US job on an E-3 Visa.

If you post false information on a public forum
you are going to be called out.

I'm calling you out, because
you do NOT know what you are talking about.

Despite been caught out posting false information
you continue to claim to have knowledge on the subject
when you obviously dont.


My goal, is to make sure that any future pilot reading this
knows that your posts include figments of your imagination
that are not related to the facts.

You can call me names till the cows come home,
thats because its an opinion.

As they say, you are entitled to have an opinion, but you
are not entitled to change the facts.

You know how to quote what you read elsewhere
you know how to mix fact with fiction that is
NOT based on FACT
which means, you spreading what is commonly called "fake news"


Before you posted blatantly false information as fact, I WAS willing to hear your personal knowledge but
we are not hearing your personal knowledge
you are posting unqualified misleading information.

Its obvious that you don't have any concerns about the danger, risks, or prejudice readers might suffer
as a result of your misinformation.
Your misinformation, if believed, could easily get a well intentioned person
barred indefinitely from entering the US.

Aviation is a very small world. Posting fictitious misleading facts
that could cause tragic consequences is not going to help
an aviation career.

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Old 18th Oct 2018, 07:10
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Originally Posted by Ramjet555
Seagull201
Again, you are mixing Fact with Fiction.
I've repeatedly challenged you to provide a single example
that you know of an Instructor getting an US job on an E-3 Visa
I'm calling you out because
you do NOT know what you are talking about.
You know how to quote what you read elsewhere that is
NOT based on FACT.

I'm even willing to hear your personal knowledge but
we are not hearing your personal knowledge
you are posting unqualified misleading information
and you don't have any concerns about the effect such misinformation might have on others.

Just Shut up!
You're talking crap!
 
Old 18th Oct 2018, 08:05
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Ramjet 555,

You have so much info on this website and other internet websites about E3's.

You can work out, all the info and requirements yourself.

I've read your previous 2 posts, and commented, in the spirit of the conversation.

You were starting to be nasty with your comments, that's why you got the above response.

If you want to go to the U.S and work as an instructor on an E3, just do it!

You don't have to ask me!

The consulate will decide, if a person gets an E3.

There's been talk about the E3 in the threads, since 2015.

It appears to me, you have just recently woken up and started studying this E3 business.

I have enough knowledge about the E3, to give an opinion.

Other users, have more knowledge than myself, about E3's.

Ask them.

I don't have to give you any info on E3 instructor jobs.
You work that out yourself.

Stop being silly, with your comments about fake news.
You're being silly.
That's where the spirit of the conversation ended on my part.

If you want to go to the U.S and work on an E3, as an instructor or regional pilot,
just do it.

You do your homework yourself!

All the best
 
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I know 2 Aussies here who worked as instructors on E3's. Don't know of any currently but it's not impossible.
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"Kindly show me me just one example of an E-3 Visa issued to anyone other than an Airline position."

I know a guy flying helicopters on an E3 visa.

Please keep up the constructive conversation and stay away from the personal attacks.

Cheers .
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A flying school from the US advertised on the afap website, 3rd October, page 5, seeking OZ instructors.
They haven't specifically asked for Oz Instructors, but for people with FAA Qualifications.

They have no advertisements for Instructors on their own website, which is a little unusual.
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This from AFAP. US company looking for E3-eligible CFIs. Requirements kinda steep:

“Eligible to work in the United States or eligible to obtain an E3 Visa.”

https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...ing%20Overseas

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Old 19th Oct 2018, 14:01
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Don't worry about this idiot, seagull. He's obviously seriously disturbed . I've also never seen anyone seek for personal information off here because they are triggered.

Plus I pretty much just told you I know, actually, 3 people here who have instructed on E3's. You're unquestionably correct.
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Ramjet PM'd me but I can't reply to him as he has turned off his PM's, I figure here is as good a place as any for the response. I removed his email so that his fiery temperament doesn't get him a lifetime of spam emails. I think his heart is in the right place, even if his delivery is poor.

Originally Posted by Ramjet555
Hi Hc,
Thanks for replying, its the sort of information I'm in dire need of.
Do you have a name of the company that he worked for?
Do you know when and where it was?
Do you know which Embassy did he apply to?
Did he have a University degree?

I'm flying in Canada and have hear Australians flying here but
most are married to Canadians. I've also done a lot of work
getting Australian licences validated for Spray pilots etc, but in Canada.

The USA is very difficult. Despite all these adverts, I'm aware that
not one of those adds has resulted in a single instructor being hired, to date...
That may change, it may have changed, the problem is risks cannot be taken
in making applications that fail. A failed Application can and often does lead
to a life time ban on admission to the USA.

I am now trying to assist in getting E-3's being issued in the USA for Australians
etc. I've spoken to the leading US Immigration lawyers and none of them
have seen a E-3 for just a commercial go thru. They have seen unsuccessful
applications result in permanent denial.


Better still could you ask the Rotary pilot to drop me an email?
{removed}.com
It's a helicopter fire fighting company, he has a degree and several thousand hours. He interviewed in {major Canadian city} earlier this year, there were no problems.

I will ask him if he minds me passing on his email, he keeps to himself though so don't hold your breath.

Cheers.

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A failed application will not lead to a lifetime ban. If you're not fraudulent and have the correct documentation then a denial won't result in a ban.
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Originally Posted by Sir HC
Ramjet PM'd me but I can't reply to him as he has turned off his PM's, I figure here is as good a place as any for the response. I removed his email so that his fiery temperament doesn't get him a lifetime of spam emails. I think his heart is in the right place, even if his delivery is poor.



It's a helicopter fire fighting company, he has a degree and several thousand hours. He interviewed in {major Canadian city} earlier this year, there were no problems.

I will ask him if he minds me passing on his email, he keeps to himself though so don't hold your breath.

Cheers.
to add to this, I personally know of 3 Aussies flying air tractors on fires in the US on E3 visas. All them have no degree and about 5-7 years total time flying.

all had zero problems getting an E3.
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I am aware of 3 Australians who fly Airtractors during the US summer.
1 is now a US permanent resident. 1 came on a Visa that is not an E-3.
Only 1 is on an E-3 Visa that required a well known immigration lawyer
to prepare the documentation at a cost of several thousand dollars with
other associated large expenses.

Reliable information is that 20% of all E-3 Applications are initially rejected.
If you get rejected, it effectively amounts to a very long ban on getting an E-3 in the future.
Then you can only enter on another far more difficult and expensive visa with
a historically very low probability of success.

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Only 1 is on an E-3 Visa that required a well known immigration lawyer
to prepare the documentation at a cost of several thousand dollars with
other associated large expenses
"Required"? Hardly.

The E-3 visa requires the employer to provide only two documents. An offer letter and an LCA. It is trivially easy. More so than any other visa.
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Originally Posted by Sparrow_start
I am aware of 3 Australians who fly Airtractors during the US summer.
1 is now a US permanent resident. 1 came on a Visa that is not an E-3.
Only 1 is on an E-3 Visa that required a well known immigration lawyer
to prepare the documentation at a cost of several thousand dollars with
other associated large expenses.

Reliable information is that 20% of all E-3 Applications are initially rejected.
If you get rejected, it effectively amounts to a very long ban on getting an E-3 in the future.
Then you can only enter on another far more difficult and expensive visa with
a historically very low probability of success.
pffft, so you’re the expert now?

I personally know 3 802 drivers on E3 visas that had no help at all other than getting a letter of offer and a LCA. They did all the paperwork themselves. Also know 2 other helo drivers on E3’s flying 212’s.

this is in addition to all the regional pilots in E3’s.

if the people you know threw away money by hiring an attorney then more fool them.

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