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GENERAL AVIATION SUMMIT 2018 - 9th & 10th JULY 2018

Old 27th May 2018, 09:58
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QFF,
It is worth looking at what the formal vision standards actually says, it is not what you believe it is( and its even ICAO compliant) and how CASA actually screw it up completely by imposing "policies" that contradict the standard, and also ignore the AAT test case precedent ---- a law unto themselves.
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Old 27th May 2018, 12:03
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Sunfish is right, the PS knows exactly how to shut this down, by encouraging the maximum number of industry organisations to participate. Then create somewhere they can continue to argue, it could be called the UNGAA, standing for the UN General Aviation Assembly. Then it has the maximum amount of people it can use to stir up the fights between the members, cause confusion, make the whole thing completely and utterly useless and impotent. Just like the other UN.

Best thing to do is to have the agreed list of demands prepared, walk in, drop them off, with a draft copy of the flyers that will be distributed in his electorate during the next election campaign. Then head off for an early lunch, before the minister does. If you sit down for any form of "workshop", it's sayonara to any change.

Don't believe me? You might believe history's greatest public servant, Sir Humphrey:

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Old 27th May 2018, 13:08
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Very well explained, Vref+5!
I doubt Ben realises this just yet. Rubbing shoulders with the deputy Prime Minister and some of the leading aviation association leaders may keep his ego duchessed.
For a while..
And then there's Dick..

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Old 27th May 2018, 13:22
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Somewhere in this discussion I recall hearing that part of these changes would permit instructors to operate on a PPL in such cases were they no longer can hold a Class one medical.
This would allow those older and experienced pilots with instructional experience to continue to provide instruction that may assist in rural schools or for specialist training such as IF, formation etc.
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Old 28th May 2018, 04:42
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Holey moley !!, traidic ...are you crazy Experienced PPL doing training. !! Good grief
PPLs have all the acccidents and kill people....CASA said so, in a court of law !

When I came back from the UK, where PPLs did just that, I went to see CAA or whatever their moiniker was then, to see if it was possible here...since I couldnt get a Cl 1.
One person looked like to faint and the others hustled me out of the building quick march. !
Just shows you that bureaucrats hate new ideas coming for anyone else.
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Old 28th May 2018, 07:35
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You can instruct in Australia with a Class 2 medical.
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Old 30th May 2018, 04:49
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General Aviation Summit 2018 - Wagga Wagga, NSW

I am pleased to announce that thirty one (31) industry associations have confirmed their attendance. Both the Deputy Prime Minister, Mr Michael McCormack MP and Mr Anthony Albanese MP have confirmed their attendance. We are awaiting the confirmation of the Rural and Regional Affairs Transport Committee.

Invited Special Guests
  • Deputy Prime Minister, The Hon Michael McCormack MP - Confirmed
  • Mr Anthony Albanese MP, Shadow Minister for Transport - Confirmed
  • The Mayor, City of Wagga Wagga, Councillor Greg Conkey - Confirmed
  • Rural and Regional Affairs Transport Committee - Pending
Confirmed Industry Associations:
  1. Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association of Australia (AOPA Australia)
  2. Sport Aircraft Association of Australia (SAAA)
  3. Aircraft Maintenance Repair Overhaul Business Association (AMROBA)
  4. Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA)
  5. Aircraft Electronics Association – South Pacific Region (AEA)
  6. Australian Aircraft Manufacturers Association (AAMA)
  7. Australian Business Aircraft Association (ABAA)
  8. Experimental Light Aircraft Association of Australia (ELAAA)
  9. Recreational Aviation Australia Limited (RAAUS)
  10. Australian Warbirds Associations Limited (AWAL)
  11. Australian Women Pilots Association (AWPA)
  12. Seaplane Pilots Association of Australia (SPAA)
  13. Rotorcraft
  14. Australian Aero Clubs Alliance (AACA)
  15. Royal Federation of Aero Clubs (RFAC)
  16. Airtourer Association (AA)
  17. Cessna 182 Association of Australia (C182AA)
  18. Cessna 200 Association of Australia (C200AA)
  19. Cirrus Owner Pilots Association (COPA)
  20. Lancair Owner Builder Organisation (LOBO)
  21. Australian Beechcraft Society (ABA)
  22. Australian Mooney Pilots Association (AMPA)
  23. International Comanche Society – Australia (ICS)
  24. Hang Gliding Federation of Australia (HGFA)
  25. Gliding Federation of Australia (GFA)
  26. Australian Parachute Federation (APF)
  27. Regional Airport Users Action Group (RAUAG)
  28. Your Central Coast Airport Association (YCCA)
  29. The Honourable Company of Air Pilots
  30. The Australian International Pilots Association (AIPA)
  31. The Australian Indigenous Aviation Foundation (AIAF)
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Old 30th May 2018, 06:53
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Originally Posted by triadic View Post
Somewhere in this discussion I recall hearing that part of these changes would permit instructors to operate on a PPL in such cases were they no longer can hold a Class one medical.
This would allow those older and experienced pilots with instructional experience to continue to provide instruction that may assist in rural schools or for specialist training such as IF, formation etc.
Which is exactly what happened in the UK until late 1960s, when bureaucracy got control, and destroyed more than four decades of a successful system.

And!!! Guess what!!!! Created a pilot shortage for airlines.

Sound familiar.

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Old 30th May 2018, 07:25
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For the Wagga 2 conflab...The lawyers who will be attending for help formulate a "Consenus" ...with all the proper legal wording ,..and covering all aspects they we require for change...are ???

And another bit of CAsA complete buggery that needs VERY serious attention is the quality, experience and attitude of "Investigators". CAs needs to be got out of this business altogether. and an Independent outfit ( no CAsA persons need apply !), Division of AFP or some other.
Two examples...
1 'Investigator' (sic) not yet legally appointed and just a few weeks in CAsA ( ex cop, why ?) knows SFA about aviation. To quote the engineer he spoke to, and wrote a statement for, !!! , ." didnt know jack sh*t about aviation, didnt know what an MR was, or an AD or what the aircraft he was to photograph looked like'.

On being advised that the alleged perp had no case to answer as the a'/c had no MR...his enlightened response was...'I dont know about that ( and he didnt), but there are people in Canberra who think they can make this stick"
Scary sh*t indeed. But all part of CAsA's "Just culture" Quailty investigation....NOT. !! Just arse actually.

2. Serious complaint that involved alleged criminality does a few hops around the Fort and ends up with a lady from People and Culture Division ( new wanko name for HR ). NO investigative qualifications, fed a whole lot of rubbish from the LSD takers, she arrives at a "conclusion" that it wasnt him.!! CYA 101
She obviously believes in Father Xmas AND the Tooth ( ex military) Fairy.!!

When the police investigate the police, their colleagues, oft time it doesnt pass the citizens' smell test.
When CAsA persons "investigate" their own ...the stench remains the same.
It has to change. And soon.
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Old 30th May 2018, 16:09
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Originally Posted by AOPA View Post
General Aviation Summit 2018 - Wagga Wagga, NSW

I am pleased to announce that thirty one (31) industry associations have confirmed their attendance. Both the Deputy Prime Minister, Mr Michael McCormack MP and Mr Anthony Albanese MP have confirmed their attendance. We are awaiting the confirmation of the Rural and Regional Affairs Transport Committee.

Invited Special Guests
  • Deputy Prime Minister, The Hon Michael McCormack MP - Confirmed
  • Mr Anthony Albanese MP, Shadow Minister for Transport - Confirmed
  • The Mayor, City of Wagga Wagga, Councillor Greg Conkey - Confirmed
  • Rural and Regional Affairs Transport Committee - Pending
Confirmed Industry Associations:
  1. Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association of Australia (AOPA Australia)
  2. Sport Aircraft Association of Australia (SAAA)
  3. Aircraft Maintenance Repair Overhaul Business Association (AMROBA)
  4. Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA)
  5. Aircraft Electronics Association – South Pacific Region (AEA)
  6. Australian Aircraft Manufacturers Association (AAMA)
  7. Australian Business Aircraft Association (ABAA)
  8. Experimental Light Aircraft Association of Australia (ELAAA)
  9. Recreational Aviation Australia Limited (RAAUS)
  10. Australian Warbirds Associations Limited (AWAL)
  11. Australian Women Pilots Association (AWPA)
  12. Seaplane Pilots Association of Australia (SPAA)
  13. Rotorcraft
  14. Australian Aero Clubs Alliance (AACA)
  15. Royal Federation of Aero Clubs (RFAC)
  16. Airtourer Association (AA)
  17. Cessna 182 Association of Australia (C182AA)
  18. Cessna 200 Association of Australia (C200AA)
  19. Cirrus Owner Pilots Association (COPA)
  20. Lancair Owner Builder Organisation (LOBO)
  21. Australian Beechcraft Society (ABA)
  22. Australian Mooney Pilots Association (AMPA)
  23. International Comanche Society – Australia (ICS)
  24. Hang Gliding Federation of Australia (HGFA)
  25. Gliding Federation of Australia (GFA)
  26. Australian Parachute Federation (APF)
  27. Regional Airport Users Action Group (RAUAG)
  28. Your Central Coast Airport Association (YCCA)
  29. The Honourable Company of Air Pilots
  30. The Australian International Pilots Association (AIPA)
  31. The Australian Indigenous Aviation Foundation (AIAF)
So what's the agenda for the meeting, Ben? It's looking like only a bit of a gabfest without one.
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Old 30th May 2018, 17:07
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the only agenda item should be a vote of no confidence in CASA and the Department.
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Old 30th May 2018, 17:25
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Agreed, Sunfish, what is the due process for that?

It's a long list. But how many of them can actually be called Industry Associations?
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Old 31st May 2018, 08:06
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AOPA AUSTRALIA TO MEET WITH MR ANTHONY ALBANESE MP, FRIDAY 1st JUNE 2018The Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association of Australia will meet with Labor's Mr Anthony Albanese MP, to discuss support for a change to Australia's Civil Aviation Act, tomorrow 1st June 2018.Attending the meeting will be AOPA Australia President, Ms Aminta Hennessy OAM, Vice President, Mr Marc De Stoop, and Executive Director, Mr Benjamin Morgan, along with Mr Dick Smith and General Aviation Summit Chairman, Mr Geoff Breust.
The Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association of Australia believes that;
1. Aviation regulations must be developed so that aviation safety is both affordable and sustainable; and
2. That the Australian aviation safety regulator be required to foster and develop aviation.

Mr Anthony Albanese MP has this week confirmed his attendance to the General Aviation Summit, which will be held in Wagga Wagga on the 9th and 10th of July.The purpose of the Summit is to bring together the leadership of Australia’s general aviation industry associations, seeking to develop a consensus proposal for a change to the Civil Aviation Act, to facilitate the economic recovery of Australia’s aviation industry. To date 31 aviation industry associations have confirmed their participation. NOT A MEMBER? WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT!
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 02:29
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Interesting that in that list of attendees there wasn't any mention of the PPRuNe Concerned Aviators We Have All the Answers Don't You Know Who We Are Association.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 04:50
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Also, I don't see the Australian Helicopters Industry Association on the list?
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 04:55
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Ah Lookie Leftie....comment as expected.
Dont worry, many of us PCA;s have lodged docs re CAsA shite and illegal behaviour..plenty of that from the Fort.and regional orrifices.
Read and noted perhaps, but the issue of the Big Meet is the consensus to be formulated ...and that the GA industry requires that action to be taken.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 08:47
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I will be in Europe. I don't expect much from "the summit". I will be happy if the result is not any worse than what we have now. As for the grand vision of a vibrant and healthy GA sector, something like New Zealands or the U.S. for example, there isn't a hope in hell of that happening. Be aware of the agendas:

- the Minister and his minders want to ensure AOPA doesn't make waves at the next election or by elections because AOPA could do some real electoral damage by campaigning against the Government in marginal seats.

- The Department wants to please and control the Minister.

- CASA wants to increase its power, always.

-It should not be too hard for the above to encourage the various associations and the egos contained therein into a chaotic p1ssing competition. Looklefts cynical and unconstructive comment is a good example of what can be expected.

It would be wonderful if AOPA and associates could win but I think the odds are against them based on prior CASA performance.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 09:44
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Looklefts cynical and unconstructive comment is a good example of what can be expected
On the cynicism scale my post doesn't even come close to yours Sunfish. All you have been banging on about is how none of this will achieve anything unless the conveners follow your (and others) words of wisdom on how to save GA. I am only commenting on your lack of involvement other than the whinging on this forum. From where I sit AOPA is doing what its members have asked for, and that is to do something to engage those who control the levers. All you have done is state that it is all a big waste of time.

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Old 4th Jun 2018, 12:35
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engage those who control the levers????
Shirley you jest! That has been tried ad nauseam, the last effort being the Forsyth review. My position, which is constructive is simple: rip the levers out of the floor and use them to electorally beat the crap out of the politicians until they agree to a new act and rip the guts out of CASA. Anything less is a proven failure.
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Old 4th Jun 2018, 14:22
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So how did the Friday 1st June 2018 meeting with Anthony Albanese go, Ben?
Were any "core" promises made for when Labor has its next turn, on the Federal Treasury benches?
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