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This is all a load of bollocks, there is no reason why you should recruit a 'jet' guy over a 'turboprop' guy. They are both capable of being trained, the turboprop guy should probably get preference since they have 'company time' and there should be some reward for being in the system. However, from Air NZ's point of view when there is a big short term demand for recruitment and slotting in external candidates create less disruption and training demand then they will do that. Never believe any assurances from management.
This is all a load of bollocks, there is no reason why you should recruit a 'jet' guy over a 'turboprop' guy. They are both capable of being trained, the turboprop guy should probably get preference since they have 'company time' and there should be some reward for being in the system. However, from Air NZ's point of view when there is a big short term demand for recruitment and slotting in external candidates create less disruption and training demand then they will do that. Never believe any assurances from management.
Not to mention, the company has had to review the requirements for A320 Commands as former regional Pilots who sat as SO’s for 6 years have seniority for commands with no Jet experience. They don’t have that problem with the externals who have X thousand Jet hours already, including on type.
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Also, there has always been a reward for regional pilots over externals. The minimum requirements are lower for regionals than externals and they keep their regional DOJ&Staff number for associated benefits. Yes, there have been hiring bans on internals due to numbers, but there have also been hiring bans on externals aswell... something regional pilots forget, they also seem to forget all their colleagues hired into Jet during the waves before it stopped.
When you look at the Air NZ Seniority list, those with high seniority for their age are often ex regional while those with low seniority for their age/experience are often externals.
Last edited by ElZilcho; 3rd Mar 2020 at 16:47.
No one should get any “preference”. I’ve said it a thousand times, many Kiwi pilots were victims of what decade they were born and/or what year they got a CPL... so we should reward the 25 year old ATR Captain because they were fortunate enough to go through during a wave?
Not to mention, the company has had to review the requirements for A320 Commands as former regional Pilots who sat as SO’s for 6 years have seniority for commands with no Jet experience. They don’t have that problem with the externals who have X thousand Jet hours already, including on type.
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Also, there has always been a reward for regional pilots over externals. The minimum requirements are lower for regionals than externals and they keep their regional DOJ&Staff number for associated benefits. Yes, there have been hiring bans on internals due to numbers, but there have also been hiring bans on externals aswell... something regional pilots forget, they also seem to forget all their colleagues hired into Jet during the waves before it stopped.
When you look at the Air NZ Seniority list, those with high seniority for their age are often ex regional while those with low seniority for their age/experience are often externals.
Not to mention, the company has had to review the requirements for A320 Commands as former regional Pilots who sat as SO’s for 6 years have seniority for commands with no Jet experience. They don’t have that problem with the externals who have X thousand Jet hours already, including on type.
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Also, there has always been a reward for regional pilots over externals. The minimum requirements are lower for regionals than externals and they keep their regional DOJ&Staff number for associated benefits. Yes, there have been hiring bans on internals due to numbers, but there have also been hiring bans on externals aswell... something regional pilots forget, they also seem to forget all their colleagues hired into Jet during the waves before it stopped.
When you look at the Air NZ Seniority list, those with high seniority for their age are often ex regional while those with low seniority for their age/experience are often externals.
Why on earth should you need jet experience to get an SO gig? You're making it out like they're recruiting for the Space Shuttle. If you've been an ATR/Dash Captain, I'm positive an A320 command within 6 years is well within your skillset.
Its strange however, that an A320 Command should be in the skill set for a former ATR/Dash Captain (after 6 years in the middle seat) while several of them have failed their Type ratings or SO line training.
Its also interesting to note that the ones complaining the most about experience requirements for Commands are most often those with no Window seat time. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. No, it’s not a space shuttle but the company doesn’t just hand Commands out of a cereal box either.
As I’ve said, all applicants should have equal opportunities to join. This constant flip flopping between external and internal has always been a cluster. Neither group is “special” they simply bring different experiences to the Airline. The A320 training department is full of externals who have brought a wealth of knowledge from other carriers for example.
It is just a very strange attitude that you don’t think a pilot already employed within the Airline Group shouldn’t get preference to move to mainline. It should only be when you can’t move them or all candidates have been assessed that you should move to external applicants.
It is just a very strange attitude that you don’t think a pilot already employed within the Airline Group shouldn’t get preference to move to mainline. It should only be when you can’t move them or all candidates have been assessed that you should move to external applicants.
Around 2011 (from memory), about the time "Recruit to group" came about, the powers that be decided those who already worked for the Company should be given preference for Link interviews. Not long after, we saw Flight Planners, Flight attendants, Baggage handlers etc with as little as 500 hours given interviews (and subsequently jobs) over those in GA or Instructing with 1500+ hours... and the cries from Pilots in those outfits could be heard up and down the country! How unfair it was, that those with experience were being overlooked simply because they didn't get a part-time job throwing bags at the Airport.
Again, I find it interesting that the Generation of Pilots who cried about preferential treatment back then are now insisting on exactly that. And the same logic applies. You don't need 2000 hrs in GA to be a Q300 FO, it's not a space shuttle, 500 hours (the legal minimum under Part 121) is fine. They demonstrated loyalty as an "Air New Zealander" in a ground role and and should be rewarded. Why not hire People internally first and then, if you need more look outside the Airline? Just start in the Mailroom after high School and work your way up to 777 Captain over the next 4 or 5 decades. Ultimately the wave happened and the "problem" resolved itself as the Links quickly ran out of "internals" to hire.
When the 787 Engines are resolved (or replaced), the GenX 787's get delivered and COVID-19 is behind us, the company will likely need more Pilots. If the Links can't release enough they'll turn again to externals... many of whom have withdrawn their applications, not shown up for interviews and simply stopped applying, because of Pathways. When you keep opening and closing the doors between internal and external, people get pissed off, leave, and aren't necessarily going to be available when it suits the Airline. By keeping both doors open at all times, and not reserving Seniority numbers en-masse, you'll ensure healthy supply of both applicants.
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HOOROO,
I went through the interview process Mid 2016 and was successful (A320 FO) but unfortunately due to family reasons at the time was unable to accept the job ☹️. I'm from across the ditch (Aussie side) and sounds like the same operator as you (I had around 3000hr on the A320).
The 2 day process is well run, very enjoyable and professional. They really want to get to get to know YOU as a person. Everyone is very friendly and is there to see you succeed not try and trip you up. I was the only Aussie on my interview day and after a few little jokes and some friendly banter they were very accepting (mind you I do have family in NZ so having a connection to the land of the long white cloud helps with showing your motivation as to why you want to commit to AirNZ...remember it's a career commitment and you will have to move).
I was in the same boat as you - fair bit of experience on the A320 but really wanted an SO slot to experience long haul international ops etc HR is very accomodating to your request for fleet preference but with AirNZ being such a seniority based airline they are limited in what they can do. I'm lucky that I already had a few mates there already and I knew that my chance of getting an SO slot was pretty much non existent as guys who were recruited directly onto the A320 ahead of me were scrambling for any SO slot. Remember, all the internals get offered the SO/A320 FO slots first before the left overs are released to new hires. Prior to my recruitment day there were a fair few new hires who got 787/777 SO but pretty much from mid 2016 it was all A320 FO bar a few.
It's a brilliant airline and I am gutted that I had to say no but family has to come first.
If you need anymore info send us a PM - more than happy to help
I went through the interview process Mid 2016 and was successful (A320 FO) but unfortunately due to family reasons at the time was unable to accept the job ☹️. I'm from across the ditch (Aussie side) and sounds like the same operator as you (I had around 3000hr on the A320).
The 2 day process is well run, very enjoyable and professional. They really want to get to get to know YOU as a person. Everyone is very friendly and is there to see you succeed not try and trip you up. I was the only Aussie on my interview day and after a few little jokes and some friendly banter they were very accepting (mind you I do have family in NZ so having a connection to the land of the long white cloud helps with showing your motivation as to why you want to commit to AirNZ...remember it's a career commitment and you will have to move).
I was in the same boat as you - fair bit of experience on the A320 but really wanted an SO slot to experience long haul international ops etc HR is very accomodating to your request for fleet preference but with AirNZ being such a seniority based airline they are limited in what they can do. I'm lucky that I already had a few mates there already and I knew that my chance of getting an SO slot was pretty much non existent as guys who were recruited directly onto the A320 ahead of me were scrambling for any SO slot. Remember, all the internals get offered the SO/A320 FO slots first before the left overs are released to new hires. Prior to my recruitment day there were a fair few new hires who got 787/777 SO but pretty much from mid 2016 it was all A320 FO bar a few.
It's a brilliant airline and I am gutted that I had to say no but family has to come first.
If you need anymore info send us a PM - more than happy to help
regards peter
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