Singapore Appraoch & Departures Airspace
Singapore Appraoch & Departures Airspace
Singapore being something like 10nm in diameter, who controls the airspace around Changi, given that Singapore is surrounded by sovereign territory on all sides. Does Changi have control of other nations airspace.
Am I right to guess that Singapore control might be a multi national joint venture. Say if you are on approach to Batam Island (Indonesia), are you talking to an Indo controller that's in the Singapore Facility.
Just curious how it works.
Am I right to guess that Singapore control might be a multi national joint venture. Say if you are on approach to Batam Island (Indonesia), are you talking to an Indo controller that's in the Singapore Facility.
Just curious how it works.
Nomorecatering,
What I can tell you is that whatever the detailed arrangements with Indonesia, they work extraordinarily well.
With Malaysia, mostly (but not always) the same.
Tootle pip!!
What I can tell you is that whatever the detailed arrangements with Indonesia, they work extraordinarily well.
With Malaysia, mostly (but not always) the same.
Tootle pip!!
Singapore being something like 10nm in diameter, who controls the airspace around Changi, given that Singapore is surrounded by sovereign territory on all sides. Does Changi have control of other nations airspace.
Am I right to guess that Singapore control might be a multi national joint venture. Say if you are on approach to Batam Island (Indonesia), are you talking to an Indo controller that's in the Singapore Facility.
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Singapore being something like 10nm in diameter, who controls the airspace around Changi, given that Singapore is surrounded by sovereign territory on all sides. Does Changi have control of other nations airspace.
Am I right to guess that Singapore control might be a multi national joint venture. Say if you are on approach to Batam Island (Indonesia), are you talking to an Indo controller that's in the Singapore Facility.
Just curious how it works.
Am I right to guess that Singapore control might be a multi national joint venture. Say if you are on approach to Batam Island (Indonesia), are you talking to an Indo controller that's in the Singapore Facility.
Just curious how it works.
Tanjung Pinang approach radar is quite ancient having visited their radar facilities a few years ago and they sometimes don't pick up targets below 3000 ft, where as Singapore's radar does. On cross country flights to the west of Batam, Singapore radar would see us on their screens but after getting transferred to Tanjung Pinang, we often get 'not identified' on their radar.
There is talk that Indonesia wants to control all of the area south of Batam above 3000 ft (and charge the users for transiting their airspace) in the next few years.
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Indonesian Law 1/2009
Interesting reading for those involved in this discussion. Take a look at Article 458 and think of the consequences for "Area A and Area B" and the efficient or even any operation at an airport with effectively north south runways pointing at those blocks of airspace if the ATM for approaches to that airport were not managed by the state operating the airport.
just saying...
MJG
Worked in DGCA Indonesia for 3 years when the topic of resuming both areas was often very energetically discussed.
just saying...
MJG
Worked in DGCA Indonesia for 3 years when the topic of resuming both areas was often very energetically discussed.
The english translation of Article 458 of Indonesian Law No. 1/2009 reads:
In other words, Indonesian law calls for all Indonesian airspace to be serviced by Indonesia by 2024.
Other reading:
The Riau Islands airspace control issue is a S’pore target that Indonesian politicians can’t resist
Report that Singapore has no objections to Indonesian plans to manage Riau airspace inaccurate: MFA
Safety first in managing airspace
https://www.rsis.edu.sg/wp-content/u...03/CO16068.pdf
INDONESIA AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES (ATS) READINESS AND STRATEGIC PLANS FOR TAKING OVER AIRSPACE AND IMPROVING THE SERVICE
The airspace of the Republic of Indonesia, whose navigation services are delegated to other countries under an agreement shall be evaluated and serviced by the service provider of the air navigation service no later than 15 (fifteen) years after the Act becomes effective.
Other reading:
The Riau Islands airspace control issue is a S’pore target that Indonesian politicians can’t resist
Report that Singapore has no objections to Indonesian plans to manage Riau airspace inaccurate: MFA
Safety first in managing airspace
https://www.rsis.edu.sg/wp-content/u...03/CO16068.pdf
INDONESIA AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES (ATS) READINESS AND STRATEGIC PLANS FOR TAKING OVER AIRSPACE AND IMPROVING THE SERVICE
ICAO has a plan for this kind of situation and there is a good explanation of what is called "seamless" airspace here <https://www.canso.org/sites/default/files/CANSO%20Guide%20to%20Seamless%20Airspace.pdf>.
The Singapore area is not the only problem, Europe is probably the worst, but on the other hand is the area trying to do something about what are called "functional airspace blocks"
The Singapore area is not the only problem, Europe is probably the worst, but on the other hand is the area trying to do something about what are called "functional airspace blocks"
