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Old 24th Mar 2018, 13:40
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Geez Zanthrus, "Judge not, lest you be judged", ring any bells? Ones flying abilities does not necessarily relate directly to ones radio skills, especially not if you're from another country and used to doing it a bit different and still adjusting perhaps?
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 13:50
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[QUOTE=StickWithTheTruth;10094905]Clearly this pilot was not versed in Roger's (patent pending) Bonanza anti-lock breaking technique, no doubt required by all the rain Melbourne has had today. QUOTE]

I'd always thought that Roger M's Bonanza experience was such that he wasn't into "breaking" Bonanzas?
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 14:08
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Originally Posted by topdrop View Post
I remember an N reg C340 force landing into sugar cane about 10NM South of Cairns in the early 2000s due a fuel issue. Pilot bought another N reg C340 and continued his journey around the world.
obviously was equipped with a well-stuffed wallet! Makes you wonder how many N-reg 340s are for sale in Australia at any one time.
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 14:32
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---- a bit dodgy on the radio re his procedures to me. If so not really surprising result.
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That's it then, a pilot who has substantial international experience, ie: He got this far, hasn't complied with Australia's unique, stilted, pedantic and inflexible often non-ICAO "radio procedures", so he is clearly incompetent, an accident looking for somewhere to happen, according to Zanthrus.
I don't suppose, after all these years, that I should be surprised by this sort of provincial and parochial garbage in Australia.
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 14:35
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Zanthus, I was going to warn you but didn't get to you in time... you've been sledded!
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 17:15
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I remember an N reg C340 force landing into sugar cane about 10NM South of Cairns in the early 2000s due a fuel issue. Pilot bought another N reg C340 and continued his journey around the world.
I remember that well. Iím glad to hear he flew again as there was evidence of some injuries.
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 22:14
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I'd always thought that Roger M's Bonanza experience was such that he wasn't into "breaking" Bonanzas?
Of course he doesn't, I didn't say that. Roger's anti-lock braking technique is for a wet grass runway to AVOID an overrun.
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 22:48
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Originally Posted by StickWithTheTruth View Post
Of course he doesn't, I didn't say that. Roger's anti-lock braking technique is for a wet grass runway to AVOID an overrun.
I think you missed the sly dig - in your first post you said anti-lock breaking technique.

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Old 24th Mar 2018, 23:53
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Oh ok, yeah I know, I'm a bit slow and not the smartest tool in the shed.
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 00:54
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not the smartest tool in the shed.
True... that should read "sharpest" tool in the shed.
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 01:06
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If rain and /or water on the strip...what about 'aguaplaning' ie scooting along on a thin layer of h2o , wheels brake stopped or nearly... but the aircraft continues on its not so merry way !

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Old 25th Mar 2018, 01:22
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You guys really do have the gist of the gab.
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 01:49
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Originally Posted by zanthrus View Post
I am sure I heard this guy flying out of YSBK yesterday. Was definitely a C340 and he sounded a bit dodgy on the radio re his procedures to me. If so not really surprising result.
Hi zanthrus, I had the opportunity to speak at length with the pilot when he was in Hervey Bay a couple of weeks ago and I can tell you that your assumptions have no foundation whatsoever.
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 02:23
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Originally Posted by StickWithTheTruth View Post
Oh ok, yeah I know, I'm a bit slow and not the smartest tool in the shed.
Nah you're okay mate!

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Old 25th Mar 2018, 07:10
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Originally Posted by kaz3g View Post
Perhaps the pilot landed on the "short" 850m instead of the longer 1350m runway?
Hi Kaz - both short ATM - during construction of new taxiway.

The slippery grass can catch you out, it has me! And one of the LIL staff put a Bonanza off the end a little while back, so it can happen to the best of us!
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 09:15
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Originally Posted by triton140 View Post
Hi Kaz - both short ATM - during construction of new taxiway.

The slippery grass can catch you out, it has me! And one of the LIL staff put a Bonanza off the end a little while back, so it can happen to the best of us!
Yes, the dark clay/loams of the Valley on which the grass grows gets greasy when wet and becomes a bottomless pit when very wet. I farmed it for more than 10 years.

I wish they had never turned the cross strip into a taxiway.

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Old 25th Mar 2018, 10:34
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With all these "breaking" issues I'm not surprised the "braking" was ineffective.
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Old 25th Mar 2018, 21:05
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Originally Posted by zanthrus View Post
I am sure I heard this guy flying out of YSBK yesterday. Was definitely a C340 and he sounded a bit dodgy on the radio re his procedures to me. If so not really surprising result.
Not a direct shot at Zanthrus, but the focus seems to be on the wrong areas of pilot training these days. Iím a fan of competency based training when applied correctly, but Iím not sure it is.
The assessment of a pilots ability seems to be based on the quality of their radio calls and the number of bars on their epaulets. The fact a pilot canít land in a crosswind, is petrified of stalls, taxies against the brakes, starts their aircraft 2m from hangar doors with the slipstream filling the hangar with dust and causing the aircraft in the hangar to collide is old fashioned stuff. Their multiple EFBs will protect them!
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 12:03
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I definitely heard a European (German?) sounding pilot in a C340 at YSBK sounding very unconfident (is that a word?) re either radio or procedures out of YSBK or whatever. It may not have been the same pilot as the accident. But I know what I heard!

Happy to be Sledded, If I was wrong in my "assumption" then I apologise.
Everyone make mistakes especially me!

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Old 26th Mar 2018, 12:54
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Originally Posted by zanthrus View Post
I definitely heard a European (German?) sounding pilot in a C340 at YSBK sounding very unconfident (is that a word?) re either radio or procedures out of YSBK or whatever. It may not have been the same pilot as the accident. But I know what I heard!
I would probably be too if English was my second language!
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