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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 08:52
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Itís great that PPRuNe D&G maintains its unblemished record of arseclowns investigating and determining the cause/s of an accident, before the pilotís been buried.

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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 10:42
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Originally Posted by hugh_jorgan View Post

This is supposed to be a Professional Pilots Rumour Network not a place to go and tell the ATSB how they should be doing their job or attack a fellow pilot that can no longer defend himself.
PPRuNe ceased being professional a long time ago. Twenty years ago when Danny Fyne ran it as a subscribed email service it was the domain of professional aviators. Then it become a BB, was sold and anyone could join. And join they did....

Nowadays PPRuNe is a go-to source for immediate alerting that something has occurred but within 24 hours the Monday-morning forensic keyboard "experts" and wannabees will have taken over, leaving the professional aviators to just look on in dismay. Occasionally there are insightful posts from people with real knowledge but 98% of the time it's just nonsense and sometimes downright disgraceful. Means PPRuNe is a go-to place for the first hour or so after an incident but then "get-the-heck-out-of-here"....
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 12:44
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Discussing accidents and incidents is essential discussion amongst pilots and contributes to our collective safety awareness.

Discussing this in no way disrespects the pilot or his passengers
Agree 100%.
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 13:26
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Originally Posted by Basil View Post
Wouldn't be a pleasure if they had an engine failure as they approached you.
Whilst the name Cowan Creek sounds possibly narrow, in fact in most places it is a broad water. Were a Beaver pilot to lose power on take off, he/she would have several options rather than plough into me.
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 16:32
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I would hope that the ATSB looks at whether the stall warning on the DHC Beaver has been fitted and the compressed nature of ASI makes it very difficult to highlight just how hard it is to read and understand the actual airspeed of the aircraft.
Add to that the fact that the piston engined aircraft has an engine of between 240hp and 300hp when the turbo propped engine pushes out 600hp.
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 16:55
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Originally Posted by sky9 View Post
Add to that the fact that the piston engined aircraft has an engine of between 240hp and 300hp when the turbo propped engine pushes out 600hp.
A 250hp aeroplane is not an inherently worse performer than a 600hp aeroplane.
A fully loaded Caravan on floats with 675hp, is way underpowered. A 180hp Piper Cub feels like a rocket in comparison.

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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 19:04
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Does anyone know whether VH-NOO had
a. An FDR/CVR, or
b. A stall warning system?

I imagine neither.

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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 19:17
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This will do nothing for public perceptions.

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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 20:32
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 01:13
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Pics on news.com.au showing aircraft being lifted from the water. Floats were the first thing up.

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Old 4th Jan 2018, 01:41
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Originally Posted by sky9 View Post
I would hope that the ATSB looks at whether the stall warning on the DHC Beaver has been fitted and the compressed nature of ASI makes it very difficult to highlight just how hard it is to read and understand the actual airspeed of the aircraft.
Add to that the fact that the piston engined aircraft has an engine of between 240hp and 300hp when the turbo propped engine pushes out 600hp.
Hello sky9
I was reading your post. It is clear that you have not flown a Beaver. It is clear that you do not even know basic info/specs. on the beaver. It is clear that you are not a professional pilot. I doubt you are a pilot.
Could I respectfully suggest that you read PPRuNe to gain insight but refrain from posting. Leave it to the pros and enjoy the posts.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 03:14
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Dear Fred . . . . . maybe there should be a PPRuNe system that can deal with posters who reveal their ignorance of the relevant facts, and are patently without credible experience, but launch into print anyway. Initially they should be cautioned. Then. . .. how about - "three strikes and you're out " ? . .. . Darce

p.s. you wouldn't be the Fred that crop-dusted with Ag Cats, by any chance?
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 03:22
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I think some of you who are posting here should be ashamed of yourselves. Not only do you disrespect the deceased, you disrespect the profession. Reading some of the posts on this thread alone it is clear that many if in fact you fly at all barely have enough experience, competence or currency to fly a circuit without shitting yourselves. Unfortunately as is usually the case on social media it is these invisible nobody's that have the most to say.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 03:34
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Originally Posted by hoss58 View Post
Pics on news.com.au showing aircraft being lifted from the water. Floats were the first thing up.
I thought I saw on TV that one of the floats had broken loose & came up. Also they said that one of the wings was almost detached from the aircraft.

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Old 4th Jan 2018, 03:39
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Add to that the fact that the piston engined aircraft has an engine of between 240hp and 300hp
450hp R-985.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 04:48
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wreck has been bought to the surface today.. State of the prop should rule out some conclusions..
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 04:58
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From the published pics it looks like the engine mounts yielded with downward bending with some force from the port side.
The fuselage is not very distorted - even the starboard windshield and front door frames are basically intact.
The fuselage bottom skin is rippled but also looks intact.
Depending on seat failures and safety harness performance, the impact may well have been survivable for at least some on board.
Aeromarine what do you reckon?

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Old 4th Jan 2018, 05:07
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Originally Posted by Ultralights View Post
wreck has been bought to the surface today.. State of the prop should rule out some conclusions..
And what a wreck it is.

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Old 4th Jan 2018, 05:07
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For all those posters hyperventilating about artificial stall warning systems, I suggest you ask a few experienced GA pilots what they think of the majority of these devices and their usefulness.
Also have a good look at some of the stall / spin accident summaries which are published regularly by various bodies. Guess what - pretty well all aircraft involved had artificial stall warning.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 05:32
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I notice in today's The Australian newspaper, some bloke who flies Beavers is quoted as saying that with a few hours on type (Beaver) you don't need a stall warning device since good pilots can feel by the seat of the pants if the aircraft is close to the stall
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