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Old 30th Nov 2017, 04:16
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OK, so what would you have done?

I refer to the Norfolk Island accident. Had it been you facing the situation they faced, how would you have handled it?

For what it's worth, I'd descend over water south west of the island to 500 ft on RADALT, confirm baro read the same, and track in for a the 04 VOR/DME on one side and 04 RNAV set other side at that altitude. Old approach plates I have quotes,
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04 threshold 325' rising to 367 opposite end
VOR/DME Antenna 332'
Cloud reported OVC 200' (571' AMSL)

Passing over VOR/DME hopefully runway environment in sight, if not immediate descent, threshold is 433' ahead. Bit of luck and ......
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Use the Mildura technique...
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
Use the Mildura technique...
You mean ignore the perfectly good airport with auto-land capability and head past the point of no return to an airport with no equipment and only give yourself one chance at a landing? Hmmm
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
Use the Mildura technique...
Ditto....
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Originally Posted by Stickit
You mean ignore the perfectly good airport with auto-land capability and head past the point of no return to an airport with no equipment and only give yourself one chance at a landing? Hmmm
No ya drongo, the last bit...
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Originally Posted by StickWithTheTruth
You mean ignore the perfectly good airport with auto-land capability and head past the point of no return to an airport with no equipment and only give yourself one chance at a landing? Hmmm
Adelaide is not a "perfectly good airport with auto-land capability" but I know what you mean. However, were both B737 suitably equipped? I don't know - if so was it useable? Again, don't know.

What I do know was that at the time they diverted they thought Mildura was ok for a diversion. It was only when they got there without the fuel to go anywhere else that they discovered it was in fog.

Your suggestion would have meant declaring an emergency whereas the diversion was operationally normal, until the fog became an issue.
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Set 2000 rpm on the props
Sit back and watch skully put it into the hudson 11 times
Be a super hero after the fact with a great amount of post knowledge of knowning all the facts without them being placed on your lap at the time.
My guess you would have sh#t yourself.
I find it quite discusseing you even post that with whats happening and happened and remember its taken one life and dystroyed the others.
Shame on you
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God don't you hate arm chair pilots pontificating after the event!!!

The poor guy in the west wind just ran out of options and did the best he could

Having had three close shaves in my career all I can say is 'there by the grace of god'

Let's all get on with life and if you wish to be involved get behind this pilot and the injustices he has been facing

Here ends the lesson
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Time to let Norfolk Island go!
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Folks,
The poor sod who was PIC, after 8+ years, redoing all his subjects, and just about every flight test CASA could devise, here and in US sims., past them all more than comfortably, is still prohibited from exercising the "privileges" of his ATPL by CASA.

The latest is a proposed "flight test" that could cost multiple tens of thousands of $$$$.

Does it seem to you that, notwithstanding he has never been charged, convicted and sentenced for anything, CASA is determined he will have his career hobbled for life, at best, or forced out of aviation entirely??

Tootle pip!!
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Nobody's criticising or making fun of anybody here. If you haven't at least thought about how you'd handle the last bit of that flight, then more fool you. I have certainly changed my thinking after this and ADL/MIA...
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The Australian newspaper suggests the Pel-Air ditching is to be made into a feature film.
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Leaddie's statement gives total proof that the "regulator" breaches all its own (joke) code of conduct. Fairness, ethics, morality and everything else they espouse..and ignore....ha bloody. ha.
This is a vindictive and bastard organization if ever there was one.

Isnt there legal path to deal with 'cruel and unusual'punishment.

Cap'n Deep Six says 'Let Norfolk go'. Ditto for CAsA. Get over it .Let the PIC go.
And allow the man, who has had a very salutary lesson, get on with his life, and flying.

All the continued buggery just proves, yet again, to the industry that there are some VERY nasty people in CaSA.
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