Maintenance Schedule

[Connedrod]

Originally Posted by haydnc

What you are saying is, in the absence of requirement (AD's, CAO's etc) AWB / AC's / SB's etc become the requirement.

We're discussing this here and I'm wanting to know more. Where would I look to find this regulation?

Haydn

Ads are number 1 and must be done.

As for the rest F up and wait for the court case.
Then call leadie for his expert knowledge on the regulations im sure he will be more than happy to assist you in court.

Im sure if he answered the questions i gave him correctly you will have your answer
Tootie toot toot

[Bend alot]

Haydn


If you look at the REGs 2a.


That says what is approved data.


Basically any data produced by CASA, Manufactures and/or data from a aeronautical engineers such as a EO for a modification.

It does not restrict it to any thing in particular such as an AD or a Maintenance Manual.

[haydnc]

Originally Posted by Bend alot

If you look at the REGs 2a.


That says what is approved data.


Basically any data produced by CASA, Manufactures and/or data from a aeronautical engineers such as a EO for a modification.

It does not restrict it to anything in particular such as an AD or a Maintenance Manual.

I have no problem there as it is to do with HOW. From CAR 2A:

specifications of how maintenance on an aircraft, aircraft component or aircraft material is to be carried out

CAR 2A doesn't say an AWB / AC / CAAP and their requirements are a document that MUST be followed.

For example, AWB20-1, the second last paragraph, is talking about spark plug testers.

the voltage control and pressure gauges should be recalibrated every 12 months

Are you saying that by law, I am required to calibrate this gauge as there is no other document from the manufacturer that says I should?

Haydn

[Bend alot]

Any and all maintenance must be done IAW some form of approved data. (Are you aware that is in the REG's?)

Now 2a lists who can issue approved data and there is a pecking order. CAsA are on top of that list and within CAsA there is another pecking order like an AD is higher than a AWB on the list - but the REG's are highest on the list.

Next is things like EO's from engineers, then Airframe Manufactures, then Engine Manufactures and finally Component Manufactures.


So if CAsA issues any form of data it is required to be carried out if applicable.

In AWB 20-1 you find this.


"At all times personnel should consult the Instructions for Continuing Airworthiness (ICA) pertaining to the aircraft, engine or spark plug."


So you go to the Aircraft Maintenance Manual to see if they say anything, if not the Engine Manual if not then the component manufacturer for any details.


You clean inspect and gap IAW what ever they say (this is the instruction in the AWB)

Most spark plugs will be covered by inspections and maintenance by a manufacturer, so that part of the AWB is covered.

However the spark plug tester probably will not as it is not a aircraft component, but again CAsA direct you to the equipment manufacturer so you check that if nothing then it is every 12 months.


If a spark plug is required to be tested between 45 -50 psi how can you know what is the pressure if the gauge has not been calibrated.


P.S CAsA have a publication that extends the interval of tool calibrations - but as it is not a AD or in the REG's certain people can not take advantage of it, I think my Spark Plug Tester is at 3 year intervals.

[Bend alot]

Champion do have a 12 month spark test calibration on their tester - they also require either 125 psi for the check.

google Champion AV6-R

But the gauge is still required to be calibrated to because of the CAsA requirement.

[haydnc]

Any and all maintenance must be done IAW some form of approved data. (Are you aware that is in the REG's?)

No disagreement there. Did you know an AMO can generate their own data? Nooo!

Originally Posted by Bend alot

Champion do have a 12 month spark test calibration on their tester - they also require either 125 psi for the check.

You sound like you work for CASA.

Champion suggest a 12-month VOLTAGE calibration, not a pressure gauge calibration. The document is here, page 18.

http://www.championaerospace.com/wp-...R-Aug20141.pdf

What I can tell you is that the manufacture of our spark plug tester is getting annoyed with me because I keep pushing the calibration line with them, the response I keep getting back is "The tester does not require calibration".

I will get back to the OP question shortly.

Haydn

[Bend alot]

If the manufacturer has no calibration then you go back to the AWB and it tells you to calibrate the gauge each 12 months.

At what pressure is this voltage calibration done?


How do you know it is 125 psi if the gauge is not calibrated?

You will find that data generated by a AMO is approved by CAsA or a Aeronautical Engineer - it certainly was not a gift when I got my AMO nor is it in REG 2a - unless I (AMO) make the spark plug tester and produce my own calibration data.

But then it is approved data by being manufacturer not a AMO!


No I don't work for CAsA. I still hold a AMO so I don't think being an employee of CAsA is allowed.


Tester Calibration

• Set a new RJ12YC to 0.035”


(0.9mm) gap.


• Install plug in the pressure chamber,


increase the pressure until indicator


needle reaches 125 psi.


• Adjust the voltage control on the


bottom of the electronic control


module just until the arc is extinguished.


The unit is now properly calibrated for


all plug testing.


NOTE: Champion recommends this

calibration procedure at least once a year.

[haydnc]

Originally Posted by Bend alot

How do you know it is 125 psi if the gauge is not calibrated?

That is such a line straight from AWI school.

But then, you open up a CAAP and it says:

The information in this publication is advisory only. There is no legal requirement to observe the details set out in this publication. The Civil Aviation Regulations set out the legal requirements that must be complied with in relation to the subject matter of this publication

I still hold a AMO

I'm more than happy for you to bow to whatever demands your inspector makes of you and no doubt you'll pass on that cost of compliance to your customer.

From what I've been observing, I'm sure its AMO's that have brought this over-regulation onto themselves but not fighting back, but for what safety benefit?

Haydn

[Eddie Dean]

When you refit your spark plugs that have been correctly tested on a calibrated tester, you need to fit new washers. No longer acceptable to anneal the old ones as a mechanic is not qualified.

[Bend alot]

And if the judge asks you, how did you know it was 125 psi?

Honestly that is a very poor reply, I have clearly stated how it works but you don't wish to except it.

No I did not bow to an AWI telling me in writing that I must do things that clearly were against the CAR 1988 REG's certification requirements - so I closed my doors had had my AMO approval put in voluntary suspension.

[LeadSled]

No you wouldnt admit to it i knew that like leadballon not amitting but saying he left.

Conned Rod,

Do I take it that you are now accusing myself and Lead Balloon for telling outright untruths on this web site.

No, because it never happened. Somebody is telling you fairy stories. Again, the challenge is for you to prove otherwise.

I suggest you do one of two things:
(1) Withdraw your defamatory statement implying my professional misconduct, with an apology that there was no substance to your allegation, or
(2) State clearly what, according to you, or your informant, happened.

Tootle Pip!!

[Bend alot]

From the CAAP's On Class B maintenance.


IMPORTANT
This publication describes the preferred
method of complying with the directions
given under regulations 41, 42A, 42B,
42C and 42ZE of the CARs.


The information in this publication is advisory only. The Civil Aviation Regulations
set out the legal requirements that must be complied with in relation to the
subject matter of this publication. There may be a number of ways of ensuring
that the requirements of the CARs are met.


This publication sets out the method that is preferred and which experience has shown should, in the majority of cases, ensure compliance with the regulations. However, before using the information in this publication the user should always read the CARs listed in the reference section below to ensure compliance with the legal obligations of the CARs.


I did not find a CAAP on spark plugs!

[haydnc]

Originally Posted by Bend alot

And if the judge asks you, how did you know it was 125 psi?

I will say that 125 psi EXACTLY is not a safety requirement because according to the manufacturer (and I have a letter from them) it is not a requirement.

I'll tell you what is a safety issue, 2 plugs failing on the one cylinder, after coming out of maintenance, right after it had been tested on a spark plug tester that was calibrated.

Honestly that is a very poor reply, I have clearly stated how it works but you don't wish to except it.

I don't need to accept it, it is an overburden that really does not have a safety case.

so I closed my doors had had my AMO approval put in voluntary suspension.

Hahaha. Yep.

[Bend alot]

So you have a champion tester? (I don't) and they, in the link you supply state a test must be done at 125 psi each year.

Then can I use a different plug than listed if exactly is not a issue?



CAsA:-
During the recent Site Inspection on the 8th June 201x at your maintenance location at x Airport we discussed your intention regarding the subject.

CASA understands that you intend to close your business at the current maintenance location at the end of June 201x. You also stated that you do not intend to relocate to another facility at this time.

You are at this time the holder of an authorisation CASA.COA.0366 (CAR 30 Certificate). As such there are a number of options and obligations applicable to you under the CASRs as follows;
1. CASR 11.072 (1998) Conditions of authorisations – Change of business status, and
2. CASR 11.130 (1998) Suspension or Cancellation of authorisation, and
3. CASR 21.132 (1998) Effect of suspension.

Can you please advise CASA in writing by close of business Friday 17th June 201x of your intentions in regard to your current CAR 30 Certificate?

Me:-


As discussed I wish my COA # 1-xxxx located at x airfield to be suspended at my request at close of business on 24 June 201x until further notice.

This suspension is I.A.W CASR 11.130 (2) (a).

I also wish to inform that current premises lease expires 30 June 201x and if option to cease suspension I.A.W 11.130 (3)(a) it shall be a different location.

During the suspension period can you please use the following contact details.

CAsA:-
Your email request has been forwarded to CASA Regservices.

Regservices may contact you directly to advise of action taken regarding the status of your Certificate of Approval.

Good luck with your lifestyle changes.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further information on this matter.

Best regards,

[Connedrod]

Originally Posted by LeadSled

Conned Rod,

Do I take it that you are now accusing myself and Lead Balloon for telling outright untruths on this web site.



I suggest you do one of two things:
(1) Withdraw your defamatory statement implying my professional misconduct, with an apology that there was no substance to your allegation, or
(2) State clearly what, according to you, or your informant, happened.

Tootle Pip!!

Not suggesting anything just said what i said because your never wrong even when your proven to be as with maintenance and servicing.
Btw how about answering the questions i gave you. Thats more important one would think.
I may apologize but that be after you do that to me for your comments about myself. Plenty on here you can aplogize for just one will do.
Toot toot tweety

Ps
Once again you love to dish it out but cant take it. Maybe its time to review your own ethics on how you treat poeple.

[Connedrod]

[QUOTE=haydnc;9969353]I will say that 125 psi EXACTLY is not a safety requirement because according to the manufacturer (and I have a letter from them) it is not a requirement.

I'll tell you what is a safety issue, 2 plugs failing on the one cylinder, after coming out of maintenance, right after it had been tested on a spark plug tester that was calibrated.

I know of a case where tghe awi saw a decal on the side of the sprak plug tester thst said you should change tbe grit after 500 plugs. He then made him run a book so that he would not exceed 500 plugs cleaning. He the said you could just run it on engines. So a lyco has 4 plugs so just put it as 1 engine the add it up before you get to 500 cleans.
True story

Ps most shop air dont go much beyound 80 psi. This is what we run with now calibrations on something that you dont even look at or need. Complete joke. Have you got your tool box steel rulers calibrated yet. If not better put a decal on it saying its not calibrated.

[Bend alot]

I would say +80 but not more than 100 psi Connedrod - but that champion publication calls a "new exact spark plug" and a "125 psi" pressure and an adjustment to "just have a spark".

So I wonder if Haydnc can supply the letter of exemption from the manufacturer he says he has.


Hide all personal details - but would love to read it in entirety of valid text.

[haydnc]

So you have a champion tester?

No, I dont. But I have emailed Champion earlier this afternoon for their comments.

We have an ATS spark plug tester

Originally Posted by Bend alot

So I wonder if Haydnc can supply the letter of exemption from the manufacturer he says he has.

In the interest of helping the industry, sure, see below. There is no letter of exemption. Calibration of the gauge, it's just not required.

-----Original Message-----
From: me
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Customer Feedback

Good Morning,

We have purchased your spark plug tester (through Aircraft Spruce). As the device has a pressure gauge on it, we requested (through Aircraft Spruce) a certificate of calibration for this gauge. We received a response from Aircraft Spruce that calibration for the gauge was not required.

Our Aviation authority (CASA Australia) here is requiring the device be
calibrated at regular intervals as your instruction manual says the air
pressure must be increased until it is in the yellow range. They ask "how do
we know it is in the yellow range?"

Enquiring at other local maintenance organisations, some inspectors are
requiring calibration while others do not.

Are able to send a response to indicate if the device actually requires
calibration on a regular basis if at all?


Thank-you,

The response from Aircraft Tool Supply:

Faith Lake <[email protected]>
12 Oct

to me


The SPCT100A's gauge does not need to be calibrated at all.

Thank you.
Regards,




Faith Lake sales, Aircraft Tool Supply
Tel: [phone]
[email protected] | www.aircraft-tool.com
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[Connedrod]

Originally Posted by Bend alot

I would say +80 but not more than 100 psi Connedrod - but that champion publication calls a "new exact spark plug" and a "125 psi" pressure and an adjustment to "just have a spark".

So I wonder if Haydnc can supply the letter of exemption from the manufacturer he says he has.


Hide all personal details - but would love to read it in entirety of valid text.

I know that there was a state law in regrads to compressor out pressure.i have never worked in a shop thats had more than 90psi. If you have a problem with a plug its going to show up much earlier than 125psi. I know our air will not go that high. Its in the dangous range that high.
I guess we will all have to purchase new plugs each time we do a service or not use thoose plugs.

Tootie toot tootles

[Connedrod]

What about diff px testers. Why do they need to be calibrated for. If you have 80 on one side and 80 on the other you self calibrated. Basically the fique is irrelevant . If you have a leak you will hear it and the gague will show it. Move the prop and sometimes you will fix it extra cost for no outcome. Like 12months for locite wtf. Cause one ex raaf awi decided it would be a good thing.
Its unfortunately what you get awis that ate ex millitary and ex ailrines in casa. No idea at all.

Toot toot tootie pie