ASIC

[Arm out the window]

Yep call BS on that one. Military in uniform on duty - No ASIC required.

It depends on whether the airfield security people know that or not ... a few years back I was part of a 7 aircraft push passing through Ayers Rock airport - I had an ASIC but most of the others just had military ID. Even though we'd just landed and parked together, all wearing uniform, flying military aircraft, it was a major drama for us to get to and from the tarmac area.

The bloke was just doing his job, but not fully aware of the rules regarding military - the silly part is he couldn't just make a judgement call and give us the go-ahead based on common sense ... he was hamstrung by a ridiculous system that really achieves bugger all. As you say, LB, if someone really wants to get up to no good, lack of a card isn't going to stop them.

[Fieldmouse]

Good point about staff knowledge AOTW but really that should be security 101 these days now that the rules have been in place a while. The issue is the RPT apron if it is an SRA. No amount of ASIC's, uniforms, common sense or righteous indignation is allowed on an SRA unless you are related to the RPT aircraft in some way or have specific approval to be there from the person named in the security manual. It's why, at a lot of airports I've been to, provided you stay away from the terminal frontage, no-one seems to care ( mainly because no one has the staff to police it all).

[Shagpile]

the silly part is he couldn't just make a judgement call and give us the go-ahead based on common sense

This is the fundamental problem with modern society. Worker drones are no longer allowed to apply any common sense. The reward for helping you? None. The punishment for getting caught bending the rules - potentially sacked.

[peuce]

Bending the rules never got anyone a medal...the most likely result is a re-education. ..or the sack. Just ask a colleague from an airline, the armed forces or atc . No...it Doesn't pay to do a favor.

[Trigglypuff]

Why are rules for Identity so fluid across everything Gov does

The ASIC - a) proof positive of anti terrorist sympathies b) widely recognised joke, or c) a good way of getting a staff discount at the Sydney airport's cafeterias.

A defence ID in Canberra can be down to a Baseline clearance - which is still well above the burden of proof that the ASIC is. I'm sure the guys who mow the lawns in public defence spaces probably get away with a Fed Police check (and a working with children check, if mowing CASA's lawn).

I wonder what causal relationship is there between your inability to get a police check and afford $200 and your willingness to kill infidels for your religion.

Also, I may be wrong, but aren't ships that come into big ports able to carry much more destructive power than a 1967 Bonanza. What are the burdens of identity on these flags of convenience? I think the Mariners Licence (for Aussies) is similar to a passport, but what about the dozen Chinese nationals on the 50,000 ton fertilizer carrier.

[gerry111]

Your identity may already have been 'sussed out', Trigglypuff..


But a question for you regarding ASICs. Let's assume that you and I were to arrive by taxi at YCDU with only one of us wearing a current ASIC. And your 1967 Bonanza was sitting away from the RPTs and we decided to avoid the terminal and hop across the sheep fence 50 metres up the road. Would we be committing a Federal offence?

[YPJT]

Would we be committing a Federal offence?

Probably not but would p1ss the airport operator off.

[peuce]

You only need one in your party to have an ASIC. He or she can escort the others to the aircraft.
But...I would enter by a gate, rather than attract a lot of unnecessary attention by leaping fences.

[Lead Balloon]

Probably not but would p1ss the airport operator off.

There's an "airport operator" at YCDU?

I look forward to meeting them, one decade. In future I'll ask them to hold the strand of barbed wire down to assist with exit and access airside, to avoid "unnecessary attention."

[red_dirt]

Originally Posted by Trigglypuff

The ASIC - a) proof positive of anti terrorist sympathies b) widely recognised joke, or c) a good way of getting a staff discount at the Sydney airport's cafeterias.

A defence ID in Canberra can be down to a Baseline clearance - which is still well above the burden of proof that the ASIC is. I'm sure the guys who mow the lawns in public defence spaces probably get away with a Fed Police check (and a working with children check, if mowing CASA's lawn). .

You are 100% spot on there.

Most defence contractors have NV1 as a minimum but that rule does not apply for all of them of course. I personally know a contractor with granted clearance being rejected for an ASIC because of a minor offence he was convicted of.

[QDMQDMQDM]

I have just been doing some GA flying in the US and it rams home to you what a load of bull**** this ASIC card stuff is. Nothing like it exists at all there and the notion that an airport in the middle of the nowhere has to be surrounded by a big wire fence with access only an ASIC card would be thought absurd, as indeed it is.

Then add in helpful, laid back ATC, including at large airports, no landing fees etc etc etc. But the ASIC card malarkey is the most ridiculous. Nothing like it in the UK either, or Switzerland, where I have also flown. So why do we need it here? And what does it do anyway, especially out in the regions?

[thorn bird]

"So why do we need it here? And what does it do anyway, especially out in the regions?"

Make a lot of money for ex Dotar luminaries?

[YPJT]

So why do we need it here? And what does it do anyway, especially out in the regions?

Very good questions indeed but I have to say that the pilot fraternity, especially GA has been its own worst enemy in all this. By saying that I mean I have not seen or heard of one representative voice at any of the multitude of industry consultation meetings that have occurred.
Spare a thought for the airport operators though, all you have to do is fork out your dosh and dangle the damn thing around you neck. The airports are the ones who get constantly hammered by OTS.

[flywatcher]

New ASIC Requirements

It appears that from !st August you must see the issuing body or their representative in person to have your identity verified. Be interesting for Tasmanians, there is only hobart which issues to locals and stakeholders, I assume the others are required to trot off to Melbourne or Sydney or Merimbula to be verified. Sounds like a really user friendly piece of legislation.

[Changes commencing 1 August 2017

From 1 August 2017, there will be new requirements to verify your identity when applying for an ASIC or an MSIC. These include:

• Face-to-face identity verification requirements
  • All ASIC and MSIC applicants must present to their issuing body (or the issuing body’s representative) in person with their original identification documents to be able to be issued with a card.
  • Issuing bodies (or their representatives) will be responsible for examining original documents for authenticity and confirming the applicant is the same individual on any photographic identification.
  • Contact your issuing body for more details on these changes.

• New categories of identification documents
  • The new categories of identification documents replace the current identification document check with a more robust, risk-based approach to identity proofing.
  • All applicants will need to provide identification documents to meet each of the following document categories:
    • Category A – evidence of the start of the applicant’s identity in Australia (e.g. Australian Citizenship/Naturalisation Certificate, Australian Birth Certificate, Australian Visa);
    • Category B – a Government-issued document that provides photographic proof of the applicant’s identity and includes the applicant’s signature (e.g. Driver Licence, Proof of Age/Photo Card, Passport (Australian or foreign));
    • Category C – evidence of the applicant’s use of the identity while operating in their community (e.g. Medicare card, ASIC or MSIC, PAYG Summary); and
    • Category D – evidence of the applicant’s current residential address (e.g Utilities Account/Bill/Invoice, Bank Statement/Account Confirmation, Tenancy Agreement).
  • The applicant is only required to produce a category D document if their current residential address was not listed on any of the other documents they produced. As such, the minimum number of documents required is three, addressing all four categories e.g. Birth Certificate (Category A), Driver Licence (Categories B and D) and Medicare Card (Category C).

QUOTE][/QUOTE]
3.
What can I do if my issuing body does not have a representativeclose by
?

Before you submit your ASIC or MSIC application, please
check that your issuing body has a local representative
who can verify your identity in person.

If your issuing body does not have a representative in a
convenient location, you may wish to consider
a different issuing body.

A full list of issuing bodies is available on the Department’s
website
www.infrastructure.gov.au/security

[YPJT]

Yup no more going off to your local JP to get your ID docs certified and sending off in the mail.

If you are an Australian by birth you will now need an original birth certificate issued by Births Deaths and Marriages or whatever its called in your state. You'd be surprised how many people do not have original document.

I would suggest you call your preferred ASIC supplier to see what the costs of a card will be after 01 Aug. Some are going to use Australia Post for ID checks which will add quite a few bucks to your application.

[pcx]

Does any one have any idea why a valid passport is not acceptable as a category A document.
Also I have just spoken to Aviation ID Australia and they have said they will have an agent at Brisbane Airport for the collection of new ASIC's. Seems to me that Brisbane Airport will now reap extra income in the form of parking charges. More cost for an essentially useless card.

[Xeptu]

I should point out that although just about everyone does it, the use of a drivers licence for Identification purposes other than policing road traffic laws is not intended or authorised. Read the fine print on the back of your drivers licence.

[IFEZ]

Geez this stuff makes my blood boil


What a waste of everyones time and money.


If we really have to have it, and get made to jump through all those hoops to get it, couldn't they at least have a validity period of 10 years like a passport..? I mean WTF is going to change in 2 years?! All in the name of APPEARING to improve safety & security. What a con job. What a rort. What a disgraceful impost on an industry already on its knees.

[ACMS]

Mmmmm have you seen some of the people at Airports they give ASIC's to?
System needs tightening up a bit I think.

Fed Police checks, ASIO, interpol......affiliations etc.....run the whole 9 yards on 'em.

I've nothing to hide, have they?

[Ascend Charlie]

And they will not accept your about-to-expire ASIC as any kind of ID, despite having obtained it by jumping through the same hoops.

Astoundingly stupid.