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King Air down at Essendon?

Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:31
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Channel 10 now showing dashcam clip taken on the Bulla Rd entry into DFO. (So looking basically North in between 35/17 and the DFO.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:34
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Originally Posted by TULSAMI View Post
was the PIC GM?
ABC news report that they made a call to the "co-owner of the small family business" ...."who was in a state of shock" and "has since stopped taking calls"

ABC also made the comment that the airport master plan extends to 2033 and included projected increase demand for interstate flights, in particular fly in fly out mining workers, but that dynamic has changed.

It was also described as "Australia's most residential airport".

Does the direction and drift of the smoke indicate a crosswind (from the right) that became a tail wind as the aircraft "turned" to the left?

There has been large numbers of engineers and workmen along that fence line over the past six months, excavating the slope for the freeway widening. The aircraft came to rest next to a temporary safety fence.


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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:37
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Post removed.

Removed my post because it was a response to a post which has now been deleted (I wish people wouldn't do that) and which was therefore likely to cause confusion.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:44
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Originally Posted by The name is Porter View Post
I doubt it Kaz, what is more likely to happen is that airports in the middle of built up areas (despite the airport being there first) will be criticised and calls for it to be closed down.

In Australia, real estate wins every time.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:49
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The dash cam footage was filmed from Bulla Rd, looking north, just approaching the Tullamarine Fwy overpass.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:54
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Edit/deleted post as I realised Bull and I were thinking of different things.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 03:03
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Stunning (although irrelevant) coincidence that Advance Airline King Air accident in Sydney in 1980 was also 21 February.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 03:19
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Some video of the plane here
Plane crashes into DFO shopping centre in Melbourne | Daily Mail Online
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 03:25
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Hi Stallie
Hope this finds you well, and elephant stamp for you.
John, good sir, thank you for the Flight Manual, usual superb Flight Safety publication used to train pilots how to get the BEST out of the aircraft, but they cannot make a Part 23 aircraft perform any better than what is required by whatever Amendment this Part 23 design was up to. Unfortunately it is silent on the EFATO numbers which will in the POH.
There is however a really instructive diagram in Figure GEN-2.
Groundhog Day comes to Essendon.
The question of the fully informed consent of the passengers remains open.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 03:40
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This is the second flight from a Melbourne Airport to King Island in the space of just over a year to go down. Rough run of luck. I hope it doesn't affect Tassy tourism.

RIP to all on board
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 03:42
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Conformation now that the 4 pax were from America on a trip to play golf on King Island. Media also confirming name of pilot but I will leave that for people to locate themselves.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 03:47
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What a terrible accident... very sad.

I really hope it's not seen as insensitive to raise this, but on the surface it appears alarmingly similar to the B200 accident a couple of years ago at Wichita/ICT:

During the initial climb, the pilot declared an emergency and stated that the airplane "lost the left engine." The airplane climbed to about 120 ft above ground level, and witnesses reported seeing it in a left turn with the landing gear extended. The airplane continued turning left and descended into a building on the airfield. A postimpact fired ensued

The Kathryn Report: Beechcraft B200 Super King Air, N52SZ: Fatal accident occurred October 30, 2014 in Wichita, Kansas
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 03:54
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 04:07
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Pilot named

Fairfax is reporting the pilot as Max Quartermain.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 04:23
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C90 Toowoomba


According to the ATSB and the Coroner.....

There was no other evidence to indicate
that the pilot may have become incapacitated prior to impact
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 04:36
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Originally Posted by desmotronic View Post
why would company policy be not to arm autofeather?
The operator, Advance Aviation, had two 200s, one (VH-AAV) was fitted with auto-feather, the other was not. For the benefit of standardised procedures it was company policy not to arm the AFX on AAV.
It was generally accepted that the pilot managed to manually feather the left prop on AAV but it was overweight and underpowered (company policy to use ITT of 700C for take-off rather than flight manual 750C) and couldn't maintain level flight even in ground effect.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 04:37
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Yep. Dashcam in a Car travelling north on Bulla Road
(see Dash cam shows plane crash into Melbourne shopping centre - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)).
Google maps streetview see (!8i6656).
Looks like the wheels are down, but the video quality is not great.
A sad day.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 04:38
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Whilst not implying anything in relation to this accident, are there any King Air drivers out there that are unaware of a bit of a gotcha in relation to (what I call) power lever slide-back?
Due to incorrect friction settings; it likes to happen on takeoff when your hands come off the power levers and you go to retract the gear. It can feel like an engine failure.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 04:39
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Quite eerily it is 37 years to the day since Beech Super King Air 200 VH-AAV crashed at Mascot after a left engine failure on take-off
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 05:14
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Originally Posted by boeinginthewest View Post
Pilot of C90 at Toowoomba had a piece of hot section in his skull at the autopsy according to the Coroner no? Yet ATSB went to town on his poor training history.
No! This from the ATSB report:

'There was no evidence that medication, alcohol, carbon monoxide or other toxic substances adversely affected the pilot at the time of the accident. There was no other evidence to indicate that the pilot may have become incapacitated prior to impact.'

~ AVIATION SAFETY INVESTIGATION 200105618 Beech Aircraft Corporation C90 VH-LQH Toowoomba, Qld
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