King Air down at Essendon?
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Nice to see the TV 'journalists' were keeping busy pestering passengers at Essendon Airport today....do they stop people in car parks in the days after a fatality on the roads to ask what their thoughts are on driving home?
See this longer version. Very enlightening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilYVNRO0reQ
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Yep, that's exactly what I thought when I saw it. It's not the accident aircraft at all. Fooled lots of people, it seems.
That footage is the real McCoy. It is certainly NOT of an aircraft on final to RWY 35.
The visual distortions by the dash cam have changed the apparent angles and distances, that is all.
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Yep, that's exactly what I thought when I saw it. It's not the accident aircraft at all. Fooled lots of people, it seems.
As the previous poster says, the vehicle is traveling NNW on Bulla Rd (Heading about 330-340). You can see the Tulla freeway pass underneath at about the 14 second mark. The 35 threshold would be just to the left of and beyond the yellow RSEA Safety building in the distance.
The lack of definition of the aircraft gives it the visual impression it is travelling perpendicular to the vehicle but as has been pointed out earlier, it is actually tracking SE and struck the roof of DFO on a heading of about 120.
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10 out of 10 for Ben Morgan! 
Media coverage from this angle needs far more exposure than it gets...!
Journalists, it's an opportunity to make some politicians and developers squirm. It is a nationwide issue and the spotlight has been flicked on by this event - get out there and ask some hard questions!
Media coverage from this angle needs far more exposure than it gets...!
Journalists, it's an opportunity to make some politicians and developers squirm. It is a nationwide issue and the spotlight has been flicked on by this event - get out there and ask some hard questions!
Remember the complaints about the turbulence caused in the touchdown area of 35 at YSCB by the stonking big hangar placed in wrong place? Solution? Just put a warning in ERSA! I suppose it is, at least, a hangar, with a legitimate function on an airport. But it was positioned in the wrong spot, so as not to take up valuable office carpark space.
I reckon the DFOs built on what used to be open space within the boundaries of YSCB will provide a good arrestor hook for a jet with a catastrophic engine failure and blown tyres. Let's hope the DFO at YSCB is as empty as the one at YMEN if that happens.
I reckon the DFOs built on what used to be open space within the boundaries of YSCB will provide a good arrestor hook for a jet with a catastrophic engine failure and blown tyres. Let's hope the DFO at YSCB is as empty as the one at YMEN if that happens.
If you are a journalist reading this thread do some due diligence on the how the people responsible for our aviation infrastructure have been squeezing blood from a stone in the name of greed and profit.
The squeeze isnt just at Essendon and it has been happening since the first airfield was built. The Partenavia crash years ago off Runway 26 at Essendon killed 4 children their mother and grandmother.
DFO should never have been permitted where it is.
Tullamarine's original plans for two runways have been sold out to developers and the squeeze is on there too.
What about a crash off either 34 at Sydney? How will that go?
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The squeeze isnt just at Essendon and it has been happening since the first airfield was built. The Partenavia crash years ago off Runway 26 at Essendon killed 4 children their mother and grandmother.
DFO should never have been permitted where it is.
Tullamarine's original plans for two runways have been sold out to developers and the squeeze is on there too.
What about a crash off either 34 at Sydney? How will that go?
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When DFO was even considered no one gave the plans to aviation industry.
First question that pops to mind is, what about the mechanical turbulence it would
produce in a strong south wester when 26 is in use. It would rock you
around during the approach and flare.
First question that pops to mind is, what about the mechanical turbulence it would
produce in a strong south wester when 26 is in use. It would rock you
around during the approach and flare.
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Just curious, but does anyone here know what the DFO building was used for prior to the sale of the the airport to private owners?
Certainly didn't exist when I was there as a controller in the 90's.
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don't think so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Factory_Outlets
When DFO was even considered no one gave the plans to aviation industry.
First question that pops to mind is, what about the mechanical turbulence it would produce in a strong south wester when 26 is in use. It would rock you around during the approach and flare.
First question that pops to mind is, what about the mechanical turbulence it would produce in a strong south wester when 26 is in use. It would rock you around during the approach and flare.
Fact is that so far as the operators of these privatised airports are concerned, the runways and the aircraft are just an irritant they'd prefer not to have to deal with as it distracts from their main game: property development.
It's like any major Airport in Australia, a shopping centre with the occasional Aircraft movement.....
Aircraft operations take a back seat to shops in the terminal....
Aircraft operations take a back seat to shops in the terminal....
From Wiki,
Great business model, not.
The DFO business model is to find cheap land, build a cheap but air-conditioned shopping mall.
DFO centres have traditionally been located around airports: a side effect of the Airports Act of 1996, the Commonwealth Government has planning control over the land, meaning state planning legislation can be bypassed by developers. In addition the property developer is able to exploit the cost difference between retail and industrial rents, gives outlet centre operators a distinct advantage over traditional shopping centres. A survey by Melbourne newspaper The Age in 2007 found that in all three DFO-owned centres, most shops carried at least some full-price, current-season stock, available at normal shopping centres. By 2008 five legal challenges to DFO developments have been made by competing retail developers and the Shopping Centre Council of Australia, all being unsuccessful.
DFO centres have traditionally been located around airports: a side effect of the Airports Act of 1996, the Commonwealth Government has planning control over the land, meaning state planning legislation can be bypassed by developers. In addition the property developer is able to exploit the cost difference between retail and industrial rents, gives outlet centre operators a distinct advantage over traditional shopping centres. A survey by Melbourne newspaper The Age in 2007 found that in all three DFO-owned centres, most shops carried at least some full-price, current-season stock, available at normal shopping centres. By 2008 five legal challenges to DFO developments have been made by competing retail developers and the Shopping Centre Council of Australia, all being unsuccessful.
I'm a 100% sure there were no buildings in that location in 1945.
What years are you talking about, DF? Are you suggesting there were substantial buildings in that location before privatisation?
What years are you talking about, DF? Are you suggesting there were substantial buildings in that location before privatisation?
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Desert Flower.. If there was infrastructure in that location years ago..was it 'aviation' infrastructure or 'non-aviation' infrastructure?
One of the reasons airport operators / airport leasing companies in Australia are able to convince external entities to 'invest' in property development 'on-airport' (or within the confines the airport boundary) is that they are not required to pay state or local government taxes and rates..why?..because the airports are leased from the Commonwealth, that is they are on 'Commonwealth land', so are exempt from local and state taxes/rates which the the surrounding land, immediately adjacent to the airport are subject to.
One of the reasons airport operators / airport leasing companies in Australia are able to convince external entities to 'invest' in property development 'on-airport' (or within the confines the airport boundary) is that they are not required to pay state or local government taxes and rates..why?..because the airports are leased from the Commonwealth, that is they are on 'Commonwealth land', so are exempt from local and state taxes/rates which the the surrounding land, immediately adjacent to the airport are subject to.
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Recall there was a small compound in that area on what was the old extension of Bulla Rd.
I can't recall what it was for - airport maintenance type equipment maybe.
They were only small buildings. Still not the sort of thing you would want to hit but nothing like the massive DFO complex.
Found something here from 1996. Taken from the 08 end.
Fairfax Photos - Aerial shot of Essendon Airport,
I can't recall what it was for - airport maintenance type equipment maybe.
They were only small buildings. Still not the sort of thing you would want to hit but nothing like the massive DFO complex.
Found something here from 1996. Taken from the 08 end.
Fairfax Photos - Aerial shot of Essendon Airport,