Where is the Cobham/AMSA SAR Challenger 604???
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1 of 2 likely scenarios:
1. Wrong bleed configuration selected in FMS, resulting in Vspeeds and N1 data dropping out; or
2. Turned pitot heats on too early and cooked the probes, resulting in Vspeed and N1 data dropping out. Can't do anything about it until they have cooled down<40 degrees.
Old trap for newbies. But on the upside they didn't takeoff. Wouldn't be the first operator I know to just blast off.
1. Wrong bleed configuration selected in FMS, resulting in Vspeeds and N1 data dropping out; or
2. Turned pitot heats on too early and cooked the probes, resulting in Vspeed and N1 data dropping out. Can't do anything about it until they have cooled down<40 degrees.
Old trap for newbies. But on the upside they didn't takeoff. Wouldn't be the first operator I know to just blast off.
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Video of the 604 doing search training has been leaked....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3UblQ3kOg5o
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3UblQ3kOg5o
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This has become a basket case, reduced capability, it will be over 6 months before the west gets any SAR capability. Cairns 2 months late, Essendon who knows.
Todays Australian
Troubled Bombardier Challenger rescue jets ready to fly
The long-delayed launch of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s new $604 million rescue jets is set for take-off this month, with the troubled Cobham-operated Bombardier Challenger aircraft finally receiving regulatory approvals needed to fly.
But the approvals have come with significant changes to the 12-year contract awarded to Cob-ham, with sources saying that as many as a dozen amendments have been made that could potentially reduce the search-and-*rescue capabilities of the jets.
Sources say the contract amendments include changes to the minimum allowed weight of safety stores and devices, and reduced fuel capacity when on standby.
The reduction to the minimum drop weight was made after a test of the aircraft was abandoned when supplies dropped from the plane — including a 38kg plastic tub — struck the jet’s engine cowling. AMSA said it was aware of the incident, which was reported to CASA as required.
AMSA and Cobham declined to comment on the contract changes, saying its terms were commercial in confidence. But the maritime safety authority did say that Cobham had redesigned its stores delivery system to accommodate the different speed of the new aircraft to ensure stores did not hit the fuselage in the future.
A spokeswoman for Cobham said the company was “fully *focused” on the launch of the first aircraft into service and that they would meet “all of the capability requirements set out by AMSA”.
With the amendments and aircraft redesigns in place, Cobham was able to successfully complete a proving flight on Monday under supervision from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
“Cobham has received an air operator’s certificate to operate the CL604 aircraft. AMSA expects Cobham to commence service this month,” an AMSA spokesman said.
The commencement of the contract cannot come soon enough, with AMSA increasingly left without sufficient long-range search-and-rescue aircraft as its previous contract with Aero*Rescue and its fleet of Dornier aircraft comes to an end.
The Australian revealed last month that the four Cobham-*operated Challenger jets were supposed to be operating since August, when the first of four custom-fitted Challenger 604s was to begin flying out of Perth, but instead all of Western Australia has been without the long-range search-and-rescue aircraft since they ran into regulatory hurdles.
AMSA admitted that Cobham had experienced a number of delays in modification, integration and certification of the aircraft.
It said it would not make any payments to Cobham until the aircraft were fully operational.
The Cobham aircraft were to progressively replace the AeroRescue Dornier aircraft based in Perth, Cairns and Essendon.
While two of those Dorniers — one based in Brisbane and one based in Melbourne — are still in operation under the AeroRescue contract, they are some six hours away from Perth should an emergency situation unfold there.
A second Challenger aircraft to operate out of AMSA’s Cairns base was due to begin service in October but it too has been left without the jet. The third Challenger is scheduled to begin operations from Essendon this month and the fourth ancillary aircraft from March next year.
AMSA said Cobham was aiming to have all bases online by the end of February next year.
Todays Australian
Troubled Bombardier Challenger rescue jets ready to fly
The long-delayed launch of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s new $604 million rescue jets is set for take-off this month, with the troubled Cobham-operated Bombardier Challenger aircraft finally receiving regulatory approvals needed to fly.
But the approvals have come with significant changes to the 12-year contract awarded to Cob-ham, with sources saying that as many as a dozen amendments have been made that could potentially reduce the search-and-*rescue capabilities of the jets.
Sources say the contract amendments include changes to the minimum allowed weight of safety stores and devices, and reduced fuel capacity when on standby.
The reduction to the minimum drop weight was made after a test of the aircraft was abandoned when supplies dropped from the plane — including a 38kg plastic tub — struck the jet’s engine cowling. AMSA said it was aware of the incident, which was reported to CASA as required.
AMSA and Cobham declined to comment on the contract changes, saying its terms were commercial in confidence. But the maritime safety authority did say that Cobham had redesigned its stores delivery system to accommodate the different speed of the new aircraft to ensure stores did not hit the fuselage in the future.
A spokeswoman for Cobham said the company was “fully *focused” on the launch of the first aircraft into service and that they would meet “all of the capability requirements set out by AMSA”.
With the amendments and aircraft redesigns in place, Cobham was able to successfully complete a proving flight on Monday under supervision from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
“Cobham has received an air operator’s certificate to operate the CL604 aircraft. AMSA expects Cobham to commence service this month,” an AMSA spokesman said.
The commencement of the contract cannot come soon enough, with AMSA increasingly left without sufficient long-range search-and-rescue aircraft as its previous contract with Aero*Rescue and its fleet of Dornier aircraft comes to an end.
The Australian revealed last month that the four Cobham-*operated Challenger jets were supposed to be operating since August, when the first of four custom-fitted Challenger 604s was to begin flying out of Perth, but instead all of Western Australia has been without the long-range search-and-rescue aircraft since they ran into regulatory hurdles.
AMSA admitted that Cobham had experienced a number of delays in modification, integration and certification of the aircraft.
It said it would not make any payments to Cobham until the aircraft were fully operational.
The Cobham aircraft were to progressively replace the AeroRescue Dornier aircraft based in Perth, Cairns and Essendon.
While two of those Dorniers — one based in Brisbane and one based in Melbourne — are still in operation under the AeroRescue contract, they are some six hours away from Perth should an emergency situation unfold there.
A second Challenger aircraft to operate out of AMSA’s Cairns base was due to begin service in October but it too has been left without the jet. The third Challenger is scheduled to begin operations from Essendon this month and the fourth ancillary aircraft from March next year.
AMSA said Cobham was aiming to have all bases online by the end of February next year.
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When is late - too late, almost 4 months and no SAR aircraft in Perth. Nearly two months late for Cairns, by all accounts an incomplete and barely tasks capable aircraft will be there next week, using an inexperienced crew cobbled together from the ranks of people who can say they have been " checked". Adopt the position RCC, you are about to get a rogering.
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When is late - too late, almost 4 months and no SAR aircraft in Perth. Nearly two months late for Cairns, by all accounts an incomplete and barely tasks capable aircraft will be there next week, using an inexperienced crew cobbled together from the ranks of people who can say they have been " checked". Adopt the position RCC, you are about to get a rogering.
Maybe something like "better never than ever"
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C604 in Cairns
XND is currently having a jolly taxy around Cairns taxiways and rwy15 at the moment. I believe that may be why JQ952 just conducted a missed approach...hopefully not the same reason as in Perth.
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better late than never?
Interesting to see the Dash 8's placed in Thursday Island, Darwin and Broome with Challenger is Perth, Melb and Cairns, perhaps some crossover on taskings
Interesting to see the Dash 8's placed in Thursday Island, Darwin and Broome with Challenger is Perth, Melb and Cairns, perhaps some crossover on taskings
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Farce
The press say Cobham created 30 new jobs, they didn't mention Cobham they ditched 30 experienced operators. Now everyone will be high fixing that there is an airframe in Cairns, they forget that it's drop system is dangerous and half the new sensors don't work. Let alone the long road to be travelled before the crew get their act together. Vomit worthy
Yes, Iccy, just one question.
Did the soulless EBA negotiations wrangle those sole-less shoes for the pilots too?
AFAP not at the table in SAR Pilot Award ??
...and could this SAR farce have been averted if Professional Pilots were involved at the very start to negotiate professional terms and conditions?
(Yeah, I know that's two. But the second question is rhetorical)
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Did the soulless EBA negotiations wrangle those sole-less shoes for the pilots too?
AFAP not at the table in SAR Pilot Award ??
...and could this SAR farce have been averted if Professional Pilots were involved at the very start to negotiate professional terms and conditions?
(Yeah, I know that's two. But the second question is rhetorical)
pithblot
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As for crossover, the Dashs are often first on scene, but don't drop stores anymore. So no crossover. Unless Cobham wants to cut into their new contract at a (no doubt) lower rate than the 604.