Wikiposts
Search
The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions The place for students, instructors and charter guys in Oz, NZ and the rest of Oceania.

Qantas Recruiting

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11th Jul 2016, 04:20
  #21 (permalink)  
Keg

Nunc est bibendum
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,583
Received 11 Likes on 2 Posts
Lightbulb

This is a personal opinion on hour requirements. I've not been privy to any discussion with those in charge or even with colleagues involved in the selection process about flying experience.

Minimum hours are simply that. At the end of the day it's the person behind the hours that Qantas is going to be most interested in. A 5000 hour 777 F/O may miss out whilst a 1500 hour Dash F/O gets through. It'll come down to the entirety of the assessment process (and that includes the psych, skills, group exercise, interview, sim, and medical) rather than simply prioritising the person with more hours on the basis of their experience. Probably the only place the extra experience could play a part is in the sim assessment where greater experience may potentially assist.

So I don't want those with either heaps of experience or very little to think that it's going to play a disproportionate role in the selection process. It should come down to whether the individual can do the job and whether they're the right fit. Anything beyond that is superfluous.

If I could sum it up this way. It's no good being an ace pilot with heaps of experience if you're a knob.

Good luck.
Keg is offline  
Old 11th Jul 2016, 05:18
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: on your living room ceiling
Posts: 172
Received 12 Likes on 3 Posts
If I could sum it up this way. It's no good being an ace pilot with heaps of experience if you're a knob.
Quite a few people in this industry should pay attention to that statement.

Hopefully there'll be spots for regional FO's (like myself) as well as the experienced jet jockeys. They better be ready for an avalanche off applications when they open the doors!
SpyderPig is offline  
Old 11th Jul 2016, 09:35
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Auckland
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
When you hire a pilot, you want to hire someone that could become Chief Pilot or head of check and training in their career with you. So in today's world of Part 61 I feel Qantas will be taking a lot of people that have the appropriate instructor ratings so they can become flight examiner/management down the track when the company needs them rather than having to send people off to do instructor ratings and wasting the time and dollar of the Qantas purse.
The Truckie is offline  
Old 11th Jul 2016, 10:05
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Perpetually Commuting
Posts: 295
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
When you hire a pilot, you want to hire someone that could become Chief Pilot or head of check and training in their career with you. So in today's world of Part 61 I feel Qantas will be taking a lot of people that have the appropriate instructor ratings so they can become flight examiner/management down the track when the company needs them rather than having to send people off to do instructor ratings and wasting the time and dollar of the Qantas purse.
No offence but seriously are you relating FI rating to TRI/TRE? How about someone with a bachelor degree instead just like they do in the states? Last time I checked, FI is not a requirement to teach (i.e line training) someone at airlines.
lee_apromise is offline  
Old 11th Jul 2016, 11:32
  #25 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Auckland
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by lee_apromise
No offence but seriously are you relating FI rating to TRI/TRE? How about someone with a bachelor degree instead just like they do in the states? Last time I checked, FI is not a requirement to teach (i.e line training) someone at airlines.
Read Part 61 and 142 then get back to me. Line training you don't but endorsement, IPC, differences are all done by someone with the appropriate flight examiner/instructor rating.
The Truckie is offline  
Old 11th Jul 2016, 16:38
  #26 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Not Syderknee
Posts: 1,011
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
If I could sum it up this way. It's no good being an ace pilot with heaps of experience if you're a knob.
Bugger

That being said I know of plenty of knobs who have made their way into airlines over the years, I can only hope Keg you do a better job of sniffing them out than most airlines. There is nothing worse than missing out on a gig than to a pilot who you know should not be in the seat.

As for
So in today's world of Part 61 I feel Qantas will be taking a lot of people that have the appropriate instructor ratings so they can become flight examiner/management down the track
BWAHAHAHA your thinking 20-30 years away. What good would an instructor rating do for you after 20 years of it sitting idle?
rmcdonal is offline  
Old 11th Jul 2016, 22:44
  #27 (permalink)  
Keg

Nunc est bibendum
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,583
Received 11 Likes on 2 Posts
The Check and Training course at Qantas is essentially the same irrespective of whether you're a former military QFI, a former GA flying instructor or a line pilot with no previous flight instruction experience. The only difference i can see is that the person without the instructor rating already on their license needs to do the CASA PMI exam whereas the others do not. Cost saving? 1/100th of bugger all.
Keg is offline  
Old 12th Jul 2016, 02:26
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 451
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That being said I know of plenty of knobs who have made their way into airlines over the years, I can only hope Keg you do a better job of sniffing them out than most airlines. There is nothing worse than missing out on a gig than to a pilot who you know should not be in the seat.
Indeed. Psychometric tests and face-to-face interviews will never be foolproof.

Psychometric psychologists are the first to admit that their tests are done a disservice when they are used as a precision tool.

Unfortunately, however, they are VERY cost-effective for modern HR departments when there are far more acceptable applicants than jobs available.

The tests will sometimes reject suitable applicants, accept less desirable ones, and often get it right by giving an acceptable candidate the green light.

Fair with desired outcome? Often not. But that's the rule of that game. Anyone applying would be well advised to be as prepared and as practised in the appropriate psychometric tests as possible.

PG
Popgun is offline  
Old 12th Jul 2016, 04:08
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Doomadgee
Posts: 283
Received 48 Likes on 26 Posts
DEC

Are they taking direct entry A380 captains? Slightly used, very experienced globally.
Capn Rex Havoc is offline  
Old 12th Jul 2016, 06:00
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Lagrangian point 2
Posts: 282
Received 33 Likes on 7 Posts
Are they taking direct entry A380 captains? Slightly used, very experienced globally.
Yep! Directly into the Second Officer Seat down the bottom of the Seniority list like everyone else!
ExtraShot is online now  
Old 12th Jul 2016, 07:12
  #31 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 286
Received 127 Likes on 36 Posts
Hopefully there'll be spots for regional FO's (like myself) as well as the experienced jet jockeys. They better be ready for an avalanche off applications when they open the doors!
J* just hired a bunch of turboprop Fo's recently, so I don't see any reason why Qantas wouldn't. I assume it was reasonably competitive for that position too?
das Uber Soldat is online now  
Old 12th Jul 2016, 10:32
  #32 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: on your living room ceiling
Posts: 172
Received 12 Likes on 3 Posts
Extremely so I believe. Everyone I know is still "under review"
SpyderPig is offline  
Old 12th Jul 2016, 20:18
  #33 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Outofoz
Posts: 720
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 7 Posts
What about all candidates turn up for a pub lunch for a few hours. It would become pretty obvious who is a knob, a right fit, and or, who might be the next chief pilot in the following hours and the process would be complete in half a day. HR not invited.
Good luck everyone.
hotnhigh is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2016, 06:53
  #34 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Age: 68
Posts: 365
Received 7 Likes on 1 Post
If you don't hire knobs, how would you ever get any management pilots?
mrdeux is offline  
Old 13th Jul 2016, 07:47
  #35 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
If you don't hire knobs, how would you ever get any management pilots?


Ahh, but like everything, there's a fix... They just need to do the "knob course"...
Derfred is offline  
Old 26th Jul 2016, 13:26
  #36 (permalink)  
Keg

Nunc est bibendum
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,583
Received 11 Likes on 2 Posts
Email today confirms the first 10 new recruits start on 16 August. Welcome aboard to those crew.

The original forecast was for circa 70 pilots to be recruited this year. There are rumours (I've heard nothing official though) that it could be as many 10 a month for the foreseeable future. There are also rumours of additional command and F/O slots on the A330 to be advertised to crew shortly and may be related to the rumour of accelerated delivery of the 787s.

Maybe we'll know more about these rumours at the annual results announcement in about a month.
Keg is offline  
Old 29th Jul 2016, 14:27
  #37 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Darwin
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for the updates Keg, much appreciated!
Aviatrix91 is offline  
Old 31st Jul 2016, 11:49
  #38 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Europe
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Keg
If I could sum it up this way. It's no good being an ace pilot with heaps of experience if you're a knob.

Good luck.
Couldnt agree more on the 'knob' comment. Some recent examples from the line:

- An A330 Captain elects to 'hand fly' the downwind component of the BOREE arrival onto 34L at the last moment without pre-breifing his F/O. ATC have him cleared to 4000ft. Whilst hand flying, he busts that altitude by 200-300 feet and once called on it by the F/O corrects it eventually. No report on the alititude bust is submitted and as the Captain is one of the training sections 'golden haired children' no action seems to be taken against him.

- A relatively new A330 Captain has taken it upon himself to conduct in depth debriefs of F/O's after each sector. The problem is the 'points' he raises with said F/O's are actually wrong in fact in terms of SOPs, and the F/O actions were actually correct. When the F/O's get out the books and point this out the Captain just shrugs his shoulders.

- Another Captain is a devout Christian and mentions the bible continuously to the F/O's he flys with. This makes many F/O's feel uncomfortable as they do not share his beliefs.

- Finally another Captain is actually despised by nearly every other pilot on the base. Unfortunately because he does not have a peer group, no-one has the heart to tell him the truth....
mohikan is offline  
Old 31st Jul 2016, 12:06
  #39 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The wrong time zone...
Posts: 844
Received 60 Likes on 24 Posts
and mentions the bible continuously
If there's one thing that gets my goat...
josephfeatherweight is offline  
Old 31st Jul 2016, 22:26
  #40 (permalink)  
Keg

Nunc est bibendum
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,583
Received 11 Likes on 2 Posts
Thumbs down

Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight
If there's one thing that gets my goat...
Depends on whether you find that worse than a crew member anonymously slandering others. I'd much prefer a fellow crew member talking honestly about a subject that I've little interest in and managing that appropriately face to face than someone who tells lies behind a colleague's back and doesn't have the cojones to say anything to their face.

Every day of the week I'd take an honest crew member who tells it how it is about what they believe (even if I disagree with them) than an anonymous troll spreading lies.

I'm done reading your lies Mohikan. You can continue to attempt to malign people (and me) with your BS but I won't be reading it anymore. I'll stack my history and record here on PPRUNE (and in Qantas if you're actually a Qantas pilot) against yours anytime. Ignore list it is. My humble thanks to a good mate who reminded me of that function.
Keg is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.