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(Where's Leadsled, this one actually worked!!!)
Which proves what, exactly?
Nobody has ever claimed a 100% failure rate, and as aircraft losses go, this is more akin to a very heavy landing, a prolific source of false activation.
As for you smarta--s comments, due yourself a favour and indulge in a bit of self education, get a copy of the CASA post implementation review of the present regulations, but you probably don't want to let the facts to conflict with your prejudices.
Tootle pip!!
All good LeadSled, it was more a comment regarding the fact that it actually worked given so many don't. It was nothing personal in any way. I know it's a topic close to your heart.
ATSB Report released
Busy week this week at the ATSB.
Final report released:
http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5770928...nal-report.pdf
Final report released:
http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5770928...nal-report.pdf
the beacon went off due to the impact. (Where's Leadsled, this one actually worked!!!)
All that proves is that 95+% failure rate is not 100%, and in this case, clearly, a hand held PLB would also have "worked".
The failure rates are what they are, and a matter of CASA record, but any of you that want to spend $$$$$$ on a fixed ELT, be my guest, but it is still a waste of $$$$$$, but to those of you whose prejudices are set solid, what's a fact or three between friends.
Tootle pip!!
PS: As a matter of interest, where was the aerial, did the cable survive, or was it the ELT built in aerial what was broadcasting a short range signal??
Good question re the aerial, it was still connected and working. It also worked on 121.5 when disconnected but was quite faint so it may not have been well received. As for the satellite aerial someone would have to comment on whether that would be picked up or not when the main aerial is disconnected.
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The failure rates are what they are, and a matter of CASA record
What I want to know is the failure rate in crashes on land with survivors since that is the situation I am most likely to have a personal interest in the result.
I could be wrong but it wouldn't surprise me if the study was done from the point of view of saving search expense, which would give a very different result.
I like it how the pilot comments in the report directly contradict the video footage from the airfield of the accident 
But then the report wraps it up quite tidily clearly indicating the cause, without attributing blame. Well written with a subtle finding.
But then the report wraps it up quite tidily clearly indicating the cause, without attributing blame. Well written with a subtle finding.
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Reminds me of the 12th man
"So Rick, did you have a blowout in a sandshoe as many believe, or did you just stuff up?"
Rick Disneck: *eeeeeerrrgh* "No Darrell, I just stuffed up."
"So Rick, did you have a blowout in a sandshoe as many believe, or did you just stuff up?"
Rick Disneck: *eeeeeerrrgh* "No Darrell, I just stuffed up."
There's a lesson in this one for all pilots, particularly those with less experience. It wasn't mentioned in the reports main wording, but was mentioned in the summary of changes thar the flying school will be undertaking.
Sick bags.... There were none on board. The front-seat passenger spewed his guts dout all over himself, shirt and down his pants.
I can't help but think that this would be a significant distracting factor for the pilot. I've been there myself and it's bad enough with a sick-bag available. You tend to want to get on the ground as soon as possible and are more likely to make mistakes, particularly in an aircraft you don't commonly fly.
Sick bags.... There were none on board. The front-seat passenger spewed his guts dout all over himself, shirt and down his pants.
I can't help but think that this would be a significant distracting factor for the pilot. I've been there myself and it's bad enough with a sick-bag available. You tend to want to get on the ground as soon as possible and are more likely to make mistakes, particularly in an aircraft you don't commonly fly.
Sick Bags
Sorry Squawk but that information is not factually correct. There were sick bags on the aircraft, they were utilised, and broke on impact.
It was an internal finding to ensure that we always have sick bags, rather than leaving it to good luck rather than good management.
The dangers of the PPrune investigation.
Cheers. Glen.
It was an internal finding to ensure that we always have sick bags, rather than leaving it to good luck rather than good management.
The dangers of the PPrune investigation.
Cheers. Glen.
Last edited by glenb; 29th Jul 2016 at 04:30. Reason: Changes from "sorry mate" to sorry "squawk". Wasnt intended to sound sarcastic and could be misunderstood.
Ok Glenb, that's fine, I believe you if you say that they were in the aircraft and used; seems strange though, as the passenger told me otherwise when I assisted getting him out of the wreckage moments after impact.
The dangers of not being at the scene I guess... Maybe he was in shock and disbelief at what just happened.
The dangers of not being at the scene I guess... Maybe he was in shock and disbelief at what just happened.
Maybe he was in shock and disbelief at what just happened
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Why are sick bags made of paper?
Best sick bags are the ones you get from hospital. Managed to 'commandeer' a few last time I was visiting someone. They're the ones with the hard circular plastic ring with a collapsible plastic bag attached. They're quite compact but once opened up have plenty of capacity and you can twist them closed once your passenger's finished using them.
Failing that, a freezer bag used as lining inside a normal paper bag works ok. Depends on the capacity you need..!
There's no doubt though, having someone throw up in the enclosed space of a light aircraft is somewhat off putting. You just have to try to ignore the smell and get on with it. Easier said than done though, I know.
Best sick bags are the ones you get from hospital. Managed to 'commandeer' a few last time I was visiting someone. They're the ones with the hard circular plastic ring with a collapsible plastic bag attached. They're quite compact but once opened up have plenty of capacity and you can twist them closed once your passenger's finished using them.
Failing that, a freezer bag used as lining inside a normal paper bag works ok. Depends on the capacity you need..!
There's no doubt though, having someone throw up in the enclosed space of a light aircraft is somewhat off putting. You just have to try to ignore the smell and get on with it. Easier said than done though, I know.
I find it quite surprising the first words uttered by someone who had just survived an aeroplane crash would be... Mate! There were no sick bags on board!
Air sick bags
Despite trying a number of products over the years, the product that makes the best Airsick bag and is virtually indestructible is the foil type bag from the Roast Chicken shops. Its designed to be sturdy and leak proof, and is quite large.
Despite that, the single feature that will always make the Roast Chicken Bag, the ULTIMATE airsick bag, is the
REHEAT INSTRUCTIONS ON THE SIDE.
Despite that, the single feature that will always make the Roast Chicken Bag, the ULTIMATE airsick bag, is the
REHEAT INSTRUCTIONS ON THE SIDE.
Mate... when you're covered all over in spew, it's quite embarrassing and especially when it rubs off on someone else... :-)
