Part 61 gotcha for Chief Pilots/AOC holders and syndicates.
Can anyone enlighten me on the 5 hours VFR and 10 hours IFR requirement for charter under part 61 on type that use to be part of the endorsement for commercial operators
Now if you have retract, constant speed, pressurisation on say a C421 then under the part 61 this entitles you to immediately fly say a Monave after a check out without having done the ICUS
Now if you have retract, constant speed, pressurisation on say a C421 then under the part 61 this entitles you to immediately fly say a Monave after a check out without having done the ICUS
CAO 82.1 Para 4.1.1
Aside this, as a general note on the requirement for type training (beacuse I missed DH's comment about the check being done on first reading), there is the requirement to have done training to the requirements of the MOS before jumping into another aircraft. A Kingair falls under the MEA without a specific type rating and you might already have a Caravan endo and 20 hours in a Semenhole, but you'd have to be an absolute moron to think that allows you to jump in and blast off. I've already seen one potential jump pilot who thought because he had a duchy endo it allowed him to jump into a Navajo with nothing further required....
Last edited by MakeItHappenCaptain; 11th Feb 2016 at 09:30. Reason: Remembered where the quote came from - Pretty Woman
Makeothappencaptain
It was a question rather than a statement
You're right no owner or operator is going to let anyone just jump into an aircraft and blast off.
My question was more in terms of very similar aircraft eg Seminole and dutchess
It was a question rather than a statement
You're right no owner or operator is going to let anyone just jump into an aircraft and blast off.
My question was more in terms of very similar aircraft eg Seminole and dutchess
Thread Starter
Information from further up the CASA info line confirms, as others have said here, the training and checking functions of an AOC allow the training to be conducted without holding a FIR.
Outside of an AOC, you definitely require a FIR (they're looking into what training endorsements are required). So private owners, syndicates and clubs need to ensure they only use a FIR holder to satisfy 61.385.
Outside of an AOC, you definitely require a FIR (they're looking into what training endorsements are required). So private owners, syndicates and clubs need to ensure they only use a FIR holder to satisfy 61.385.
All just the earnest hopes of those in the CASA "line", where ever they happen to be in it.
What if Mr Skidmore's view of the "intent" is different?
Will that mean that what Part 61 means as a matter of law could change again?
What if Mr Skidmore's view of the "intent" is different?
Will that mean that what Part 61 means as a matter of law could change again?
Sorry, the lack of a question mark on the second sentence kind of threw me there. No ill feelings there towards you and yes, any CP worth their salt should knock this issue on the head quick smart.
Ref. Duchess vs Semenhole, I would think that a 55 vs 58 Baron may be acceptable here, but Piper vs Beechcraft are definitely NOT in the same ballpark.
The second half was because there are some operators in "private" operations who are willing to believe whatever some junior burger CPL told them was their half arsed interpretation of the rules in an attempt to get some twin time up any way possible. My previous example was an actual occurrence, with the pilot having convinced the owner all was legal and showing up to start "ICUS" until I spent half an hour of my time covering system differences to illustrate why further training was required.
Ref. Duchess vs Semenhole, I would think that a 55 vs 58 Baron may be acceptable here, but Piper vs Beechcraft are definitely NOT in the same ballpark.
The second half was because there are some operators in "private" operations who are willing to believe whatever some junior burger CPL told them was their half arsed interpretation of the rules in an attempt to get some twin time up any way possible. My previous example was an actual occurrence, with the pilot having convinced the owner all was legal and showing up to start "ICUS" until I spent half an hour of my time covering system differences to illustrate why further training was required.
Last edited by MakeItHappenCaptain; 11th Feb 2016 at 09:32.
