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Reporting Of Incidents?

Old 6th Sep 2015, 08:32
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Reporting Of Incidents?

Just a hypothetical. If one sees an aviation incident that one is not involved in, does one have to report it?
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 08:44
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I ask myself that question every time I see you taxi out.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 08:46
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I would think it would depend on if you could reasonably be certain a responsible person had reported it.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 08:52
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If the question is, "Is it compulsory" the answer would be no otherwise imagine the reports required if an accident occurred at an airshow.

If the question is "Should I report it?" then that is entirely up to you.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 09:05
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AIP ENR 1.14 lists responsible persons wrt incident reporting.

Just being a Sunfish observer does not count.

And, no need, if you believe that some-one else has reported it.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 09:07
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I would say it is likely absolutely none of your business and you should pull your head in and not get involved. I saw a Yak 9 inverted today, but I won't be reporting that because I dare say it has already been reported :-) How do you know someone hasn't already reported it, perhaps the PIC for example?

So what did you witness at Narromine Sunfish? Did old mate blow up his portable mattress with the exhaust of his RV again?
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 09:18
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You really need another hobby than PPRuNe.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 09:26
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I saw a Yak 9 inverted today.

Was that the same Yak 9 inverted on the ground at Tyabb or inverted in the air?
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 09:47
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I don't think an inverted Yak 9 in the air classes as an incident, but we are talking about Sunfish so you never know

What would class as an incident in my mind would be a CASA employee performing aerobatics including inverted, in a Yak 18 at 500 ft with 4 POB. (purely hypothetially speaking of course )
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 11:26
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Nothing to do with Ausfly or Tyabb, purely a hypothetical.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 13:40
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sunny I'm getting a bit worried about you.
you seem to be losing it boy.

to answer your question. this is Australia the land of the free, where a man is assumed innocent until proven guilty.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 21:08
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I watched Two very lucky people come within an ace of killing themselves.

Luckily what appears to be only slight damage to the aircraft where they demolished a sign at the end of the trip. Another meter and it would have been the fence, another Two meters a power pole. If they had got off in ground effect the next obstacle was high voltage power lines about 500 metres away.

Cirrus, thousand meter soft wet grass strip and a downwind takeoff with at least Twelve knots of tailwind. It got airborne in ground effect to about Ten feet halfway along, stalled back on and drifted right before the pilot had the good sense to abort. "The tailwind came out of nowhere" was the comment.

I happened to be driving home with the shopping at the time and the road runs beside the strip. I say again, very, very lucky.

I assume the pilot reported it and will get a permit to fly to recover the aircraft.

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Old 6th Sep 2015, 22:24
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Are you bi-polar Sunny? Last night you said this was a hypothetical question???
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 22:30
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Nothing to do with Ausfly or Tyabb, purely a hypothetical.
Less than 10 hours later.

I watched Two very lucky people come within an ace of killing themselves.

Luckily what appears to be only slight damage to the aircraft where they demolished a sign at the end of the trip. Another meter and it would have been the fence, another Two meters a power pole. If they had got off in ground effect the next obstacle was high voltage power lines about 500 metres away.

Cirrus, thousand meter soft wet grass strip and a downwind takeoff with at least Twelve knots of tailwind. It got airborne in ground effect to about Ten feet halfway along, stalled back on and drifted right before the pilot had the good sense to abort. "The tailwind came out of nowhere" was the comment.

I happened to be driving home with the shopping at the time and the road runs beside the strip. I say again, very, very lucky.

I assume the pilot reported it and will get a permit to fly to recover the aircraft.
Man, you seem to have some divine power of foresight! Can you tell me "hypothetically" what the lotto numbers will be?
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 22:32
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Since I can assume the pilot reported the incident himself then I can share my observation.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 23:50
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Folks,
At the risk of being accused of being a pedant, there is a difference between an accident and an incident, although it sometimes ( almost always) suits people to obscure the not so subtle differences for PR purposes --- ie: Airlines have incidents that are accidents, but "accident" sound far more serious to the ignoratii and the twitterartii.
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 03:32
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From what you describe, you might be saving some lives in the future by reporting it. I know too many people that have been killed doing stupid things in aircraft either thru ignorance or willfully actions.

If a firm hand had been placed on their shoulder earlier to let them know people are watching and are concerned, they might still be here getting old and grey like me.

Report it if in doubt.

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There seems to be some compulsion to report it to PASA (PPRuNe Aviation Scandal Authority)
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 04:14
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So Sunfish is driving along in his Toyota Landcruiser from his local Coles supermarket, hurrying along so his chicken Kiev doesn't spoil, tired from 14 hours driving over the weekend, with ASIC card / PPL in the centre console, attached to a lanyard that he got from the trade day at Avalon 2015... and happens to see a Cirrus out his corner window and notices that it's not taking off (accelerating) that well. Sunfish thinks this is because there's a tailwind, however it's actually because the grass is quite wet and the soil soft due to the recent rain from the weekend when Sunfish was away in Temora.

The prudent CPL pilot (with 4,800 hours of experience) of this fine aircraft decides to abort the takeoff for the safety of himself and his passengers (if any) and due to his piloting skills manages to get it stopped in time with very minor damage to the aircraft.

Then Sunfish stops after driving onto the airport premises to become one of the infamous peanut gallery after activating his hub locks, and notices a precise 12 knots of direct tailwind straight down the strip which started to blow up after the attempted takeoff, as it has been doing all day long as the weather front arrived from the west.

The poor pilot not aware that the wind had swung around from a direct cross-wind to his rear quarter was then heard commenting about how the wind had come from behind unannounced; good one Huey. Sunfish is then able to determine from travelling past the airstrip at 80+ kmh in his car with the windows up that the pilot has done the wrong thing by attempting a takeoff with a tail wind.

Then Sunfish gets home, opens PPRuNe to report this incident whilst simultaneously filling out an ATSB incident report using the aircraft call sign and presumably leaving the pilots name and contact details blank as he doesn't even know their name


Sunfish, when you bent the firewall of the hired Cessna 172 at Moorabbin, how many people driving past on Centre Dandenong road lodged an ATSB incident report?
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 04:28
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What's lost if he wrong - nothing
What's gained if he is right- everything, most probably at the cost of some more training....

A simple factual report is all that is needed. Of course who ever looks at it will realize the potential for inaccuracies.
Besides, what is the cost of safety?
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