Will Aviation descend this low, or are we already there?
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Will Aviation descend this low, or are we already there?
Law graduates paying up to $22K for jobs, due to an oversupply of fresh law graduates? Does paying for traineeships fall into this category?
Adlawgroup jobs: Graduates required to pay for lawyer positions
Adlawgroup jobs: Graduates required to pay for lawyer positions
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The firm denies the project is taking “an unfair or predatory advantage of a dire situation” to get new lawyers to “buy a job”.
I thought that what Lawyers were all about? Taking a predatory advantage of a dire situation is the norm isnt it? May as well start as they mean to go on.
The firm denies the project is taking “an unfair or predatory advantage of a dire situation” to get new lawyers to “buy a job”.
I thought that what Lawyers were all about? Taking a predatory advantage of a dire situation is the norm isnt it? May as well start as they mean to go on.
Aviation reached that level years ago with the Rex and Jetstar cadetships.
The difference being eventually if the lawyers are any good they'll end up working for a respected company on decent coin earning significantly more than anything aviation is going to offer.
The difference being eventually if the lawyers are any good they'll end up working for a respected company on decent coin earning significantly more than anything aviation is going to offer.
A law degree, followed by College of Law (to get your practicing certificate) is far more expensive than a practical (ie:non-VETAB country airport) CPL+MECIR.
Good news: most pilots don't have $22k left over after their training to pay $22k for a job.
Lots of Law graduates are the offspring of wealthy lawyers.
Don't lose any sleep...
Good news: most pilots don't have $22k left over after their training to pay $22k for a job.
Lots of Law graduates are the offspring of wealthy lawyers.
Don't lose any sleep...
Touch 'n Gone,
The $20,000 is not the cost of a law course, that is the fee the firm wants so a budding solicitor gets the practical office time, required to be admitted to practice. The baby lawyer has already paid anywhere between $80,000- $120,000+ for the basic qualifications.
The $20,000 is like paying for ICUS or RHS time, once you have the licenses.
Tootle pip!!
The $20,000 is not the cost of a law course, that is the fee the firm wants so a budding solicitor gets the practical office time, required to be admitted to practice. The baby lawyer has already paid anywhere between $80,000- $120,000+ for the basic qualifications.
The $20,000 is like paying for ICUS or RHS time, once you have the licenses.
Tootle pip!!
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Touch 'n Gone,
The $20,000 is not the cost of a law course, that is the fee the firm wants so a budding solicitor gets the practical office time, required to be admitted to practice. The baby lawyer has already paid anywhere between $80,000- $120,000+ for the basic qualifications.
The $20,000 is like paying for ICUS or RHS time, once you have the licenses.
Tootle pip!!
The $20,000 is not the cost of a law course, that is the fee the firm wants so a budding solicitor gets the practical office time, required to be admitted to practice. The baby lawyer has already paid anywhere between $80,000- $120,000+ for the basic qualifications.
The $20,000 is like paying for ICUS or RHS time, once you have the licenses.
Tootle pip!!
In that case, I withdraw my remark. T&G.
Hey Griffo...I have this theory the sausage factory has led to all sorts of issues within the pilot scene. It dates back to my learning to fly with a fellow student who then spent the money and come back with a fresh Instructors rating and my just starting on my navex. He wasn't much better than me!
Great gluts of freshly minted cpls with four gold bars in their eyes skewed the market a bit. However, one must temper ones opinions. There are learned alumni on these threads. Their opinion I value. It was part of my thinking that led me away from doing THY and getting into something I passionately enjoy doing for a living.
The point of this thread is more...paying for endorsement or type ratings is more comparable with lawyers paying for "article clerking" positions
Great gluts of freshly minted cpls with four gold bars in their eyes skewed the market a bit. However, one must temper ones opinions. There are learned alumni on these threads. Their opinion I value. It was part of my thinking that led me away from doing THY and getting into something I passionately enjoy doing for a living.
The point of this thread is more...paying for endorsement or type ratings is more comparable with lawyers paying for "article clerking" positions
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As for a surplus of Lawyers; It was stated in an Article in the SA Advertiser newspaper a while back that there are over 2,000 Law graduates in SA alone who have no job.
And from what I hear from a Lawyer acquaintance of mine; Most of them never will find one either.
A further example of the folly of encouraging Kids to go to Uni rather than take a trades apprenticeship.
And from what I hear from a Lawyer acquaintance of mine; Most of them never will find one either.
A further example of the folly of encouraging Kids to go to Uni rather than take a trades apprenticeship.
Some of my sons friends just finished Civil Engineering degrees, and most of them haven't managed to get a job that is Civil Engineering related. The ones who managed to get jobs had to work for 6 months for free to get their foot in the door.
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It's going to happen to medical grads soon. Huge increase in uni training places but no increase in hospital and specialist training places.
All domestic medical graduates are guaranteed a hospital internship and there will always be a growing demand for post-internship junior medical officers. Please find me a junior Australian doctor who wants to work but cannot find a job and I will stand corrected.
As we all know, the problem with the hoards of young CPLs not finding jobs is the seemingly quota-less FEE and HECS-HELP loans that the Government hands out to every man and his dog! I agree every Australian should be entitled to access the education they want. However, there must be a fair competition of entry, based on applicant demand, with a cap on places so we don't end up with an oversupply of graduates who can't find jobs in the fields they train in. This problem isn't just limited to aviation.
There's this giant bubble, a self-perpetuating industry funded by the public, of pilot-factories that turn youths into instructors who then train more youths to become instructors... and this bubble's going to burst when FEE-HELP for flying training is pulled out from beneath them. None of these young CPLs will be able to repay their public debt with a flying job alone... because there just aren't enough entry-level flying jobs. So we end up with an oversupply of fresh CPLs who then consider these P2F schemes and work-for-free traps as fair game. A lot of them will just train in another field, gaining more public debt, and find something else to sustain them.
Maybe there's something I don't understand amongst all this, economics or reasonable public policy that I don't know about... but it appears to me to be just one big vicious cycle that is taking advantage of the public purse and of 17 year olds who so innocently sign up for huge loans without knowing the truth about their job prospects. It frightens me!
Rant over.
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