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If a CASA apologist is someone who has no criticisms of CASA at all, I'm far from one. They do many things I don't like. Nor am I a one-eyed CASA hater who'd never give them credit for anything, though, as a lot here seem to be.
Have a dummy spit, have a whinge, then get on and work from where you are - that's what the helicopter industry with inspiring leadership from the AHIA have done, and they're making incremental but important headway.
Much of the vitriol aired here is still at the dummy spit / whinge stage and doesn't look like it's going to get much further.
Not real flash mate, but I ask again, how is adoption of their regs and sacking of CASA holus-bolus going to work? Really, I mean, not just in whinge land?
Have a dummy spit, have a whinge, then get on and work from where you are - that's what the helicopter industry with inspiring leadership from the AHIA have done, and they're making incremental but important headway.
Much of the vitriol aired here is still at the dummy spit / whinge stage and doesn't look like it's going to get much further.
How well is Australia's doing?
If CAsA closed its doors tomorrow..Aviation in Oz could and would just get on with what it does best, maintaining, training, flying and etc WITHOUT LET and HINDRANCE and FINANCIAL IMPOSTS with endlessly changing paperwork and BS Part bombs.
The experiment should be run for 6 months to see if Oz suffers from 30,000ft death plunges and an increase in the accident rate.
I posit no changes there.
GA wont have the fuel levy and etc..., the Commonwealth coffers will benefit by not having to shovel millions for the BIG CON that all "safety" flows only from Fort Fumble.benefiting the common wealth
In PNG they decided CAsA regs were impractical and unworkable and adopted the NZ lot for a much better deal for their industry.
If they can do it we can do it BUT for JCs sake dont let ANY ex CAsA people anywhere near an implementation process...or we'll just end up back where we started.
The experiment should be run for 6 months to see if Oz suffers from 30,000ft death plunges and an increase in the accident rate.
I posit no changes there.
GA wont have the fuel levy and etc..., the Commonwealth coffers will benefit by not having to shovel millions for the BIG CON that all "safety" flows only from Fort Fumble.benefiting the common wealth
In PNG they decided CAsA regs were impractical and unworkable and adopted the NZ lot for a much better deal for their industry.
If they can do it we can do it BUT for JCs sake dont let ANY ex CAsA people anywhere near an implementation process...or we'll just end up back where we started.
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"how is adoption of their regs and sacking of CASA holus-bolus going to work?"
Pretty much what they did in NZ and it worked.
Cost a fraction of what Australia has spent so far. Fairly quick to, couple of years against our 25 years and counting.
What you are alluding is Australia, by that I mean the country, is incapable of
embracing true reform, or should that be CASA is incapable of embracing true reform.
If its the former then there is no hope for this country, the banana republic beckons, if its the latter then logically removing the impediment is the first task,
That and changing the ACT.
As has been said by many, the kiwi reg's aint perfect, but they are streets ahead of the rubbish CAsA produces. The added bonus is they are very close to the USA's, statistically the safest country in the world to fly in and are very much closer to ICAO SARPS than we are. If safety is CAsA's aim rather than liability then copying the best would to me seem sensible.
There are a few very competent people within CAsA mixed among the industry rejects and ex RAAF people, and no I'm not saying all RAAF people are incompetent, but I've run into some shockers in my time.
I have no doubt those very competent people in CAsA could very quickly reform the regulator.
You never know, there has been a lot of very good people who left the organisation in disgust over the years, they may just be persuaded to return if reform is the agenda.
Regarding the politics, there was once a Aviation Department with a responsible minister. Who governs CAsA today? a responsible minister or his department head?
There are some who consider "Yes Minister" is a comedy show, I would call it a documentary.
Pretty much what they did in NZ and it worked.
Cost a fraction of what Australia has spent so far. Fairly quick to, couple of years against our 25 years and counting.
What you are alluding is Australia, by that I mean the country, is incapable of
embracing true reform, or should that be CASA is incapable of embracing true reform.
If its the former then there is no hope for this country, the banana republic beckons, if its the latter then logically removing the impediment is the first task,
That and changing the ACT.
As has been said by many, the kiwi reg's aint perfect, but they are streets ahead of the rubbish CAsA produces. The added bonus is they are very close to the USA's, statistically the safest country in the world to fly in and are very much closer to ICAO SARPS than we are. If safety is CAsA's aim rather than liability then copying the best would to me seem sensible.
There are a few very competent people within CAsA mixed among the industry rejects and ex RAAF people, and no I'm not saying all RAAF people are incompetent, but I've run into some shockers in my time.
I have no doubt those very competent people in CAsA could very quickly reform the regulator.
You never know, there has been a lot of very good people who left the organisation in disgust over the years, they may just be persuaded to return if reform is the agenda.
Regarding the politics, there was once a Aviation Department with a responsible minister. Who governs CAsA today? a responsible minister or his department head?
There are some who consider "Yes Minister" is a comedy show, I would call it a documentary.
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Aviation in Oz could and would just get on with what it does best, maintaining, training, flying and etc
Pretty much what they did in NZ and it worked.
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"we're starting to emerge from some of the paralysis induced by the last one."
Are we?? I see no sign of that, just more companies closing their doors, less and less aviation activity.Pretty soon we will have to take our aircraft to New Zealand or Asia to have them maintained because onerous unworkable maintenance regulations and a lack of LAME's reaches critical mass. How many LAME's graduated last year? what is the average age of LAME's today? our LAME licence is no longer recognised overseas, nor are any modifications made under an Australian EO, so all those ADSB's fitted because we had to be twenty years ahead of the rest of the world to give ASA executives their bonuses will make our aircraft unsaleable in the real world. I have read that 80% of the GA fleet is on the market with no buyers.
At what point do you admit defeat? When there is no industry left?
It happened in Europe.
Bit late, but EASA fired their reg writing department and are embarking on a rewrite, they finally had to accept reality.
It will take a long time for them regain any semblance of an industry.
Australian companies actively investigating moving their AOC's to NZ is surely a wake up call. Australia has failed and failed miserably to provide its industry with sustainable, workable regulation, and the failure has been spread over 25 years, and cost the Australian public hundreds of millions of dollars, for that alone they should be fired, I believe its almost if not actual Corporate fraud.
Call me a winger if you will, I'm retired, I needn't give a ****, but I am offended and ashamed that governments of either persuasion countenance and encourage such ineptitude in any government entity.
Are we?? I see no sign of that, just more companies closing their doors, less and less aviation activity.Pretty soon we will have to take our aircraft to New Zealand or Asia to have them maintained because onerous unworkable maintenance regulations and a lack of LAME's reaches critical mass. How many LAME's graduated last year? what is the average age of LAME's today? our LAME licence is no longer recognised overseas, nor are any modifications made under an Australian EO, so all those ADSB's fitted because we had to be twenty years ahead of the rest of the world to give ASA executives their bonuses will make our aircraft unsaleable in the real world. I have read that 80% of the GA fleet is on the market with no buyers.
At what point do you admit defeat? When there is no industry left?
It happened in Europe.
Bit late, but EASA fired their reg writing department and are embarking on a rewrite, they finally had to accept reality.
It will take a long time for them regain any semblance of an industry.
Australian companies actively investigating moving their AOC's to NZ is surely a wake up call. Australia has failed and failed miserably to provide its industry with sustainable, workable regulation, and the failure has been spread over 25 years, and cost the Australian public hundreds of millions of dollars, for that alone they should be fired, I believe its almost if not actual Corporate fraud.
Call me a winger if you will, I'm retired, I needn't give a ****, but I am offended and ashamed that governments of either persuasion countenance and encourage such ineptitude in any government entity.
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failure has been spread over 25 years, and cost the Australian public hundreds of millions of dollars, for that alone they should be fired,
Sack the lot - might as well sack the whole government while you're at it. As I said, you can only go from where you are, and on top of that you can only do what's possible. Anything else is hot air.
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Maybe not, but look at the statement from Jeff Boyd when he took over on the board:
Pretty clear cut, and far from the mealy-mouthed statements you often hear at this level.
Boyd said the Part 61 regulations were written up without adequate communication from industry and he lobbied against their introduction before he joined the CASA board.
“I was very much involved in it not being brought out when I was on the industry side,” Boyd said.
“We knew Part 61 was never going to work. It got put in a drawer for 12 months and instead of being reworked and rejigged unfortunately the very last day that our previous CEO was in the organisation he promulgated Part 61 as it was 12 months previously.
“The results have been horrendous for the organisation and for industry. It’s a debacle.”
“I was very much involved in it not being brought out when I was on the industry side,” Boyd said.
“We knew Part 61 was never going to work. It got put in a drawer for 12 months and instead of being reworked and rejigged unfortunately the very last day that our previous CEO was in the organisation he promulgated Part 61 as it was 12 months previously.
“The results have been horrendous for the organisation and for industry. It’s a debacle.”
