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Pilot boy, no one was lecturing you about how you need to do the hard yards, anymore than anyone was lecturing you about the non-existence of frozen licences. On Pprune it is usual for threads to get 'hijacked' and generally drift off subject. In these recurring 'help me find a job' threads there is usually some good advice to be had from people who, for all you know, may actually have some background in the recruiting process.
But seeing as you only want info and not career advice, here is what I know about West Wing.
They generally want 2000 hours and 500 multi. But you already know that because you can visit a website just as easily as I can, hey? They sometimes make exceptions - again on their website. So far I have told you nothing you did not know.
What I do know from talking to people working there:
They pay at least the Award, better if they value you.
They appear to be financially secure (but as with all aviation, who really knows?).
They do all required training, with no short cuts.
Their aircraft are reliable, but well worn with some very high time airframes in the fleet.
They don't expect you to fly without proper fuel reserves, do not overload or bust duty limits, but they do operate right to the max on all counts.
They do carry defects, and sometimes several, just like most GA operators.
They meet contract requirements with their customers.
But herein lies the rub.
If you want a start, you will start in Mt ISA and wait your turn for a coastal base. This can take quite a long time. They don't want to piss off those already on the waiting list for a move.
But seeing as you only want info and not career advice, here is what I know about West Wing.
They generally want 2000 hours and 500 multi. But you already know that because you can visit a website just as easily as I can, hey? They sometimes make exceptions - again on their website. So far I have told you nothing you did not know.
What I do know from talking to people working there:
They pay at least the Award, better if they value you.
They appear to be financially secure (but as with all aviation, who really knows?).
They do all required training, with no short cuts.
Their aircraft are reliable, but well worn with some very high time airframes in the fleet.
They don't expect you to fly without proper fuel reserves, do not overload or bust duty limits, but they do operate right to the max on all counts.
They do carry defects, and sometimes several, just like most GA operators.
They meet contract requirements with their customers.
But herein lies the rub.
If you want a start, you will start in Mt ISA and wait your turn for a coastal base. This can take quite a long time. They don't want to piss off those already on the waiting list for a move.
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I never said I wouldn't take advice. I've always taken on board good advice including the advice given to me in the last thread. However when I see several other people comment on the same thing without being constructive it gets really frustrating, especially when out of all the comments not a single one answered my question. If you noticed there were a couple of comments that did nothing other than to criticise the fact that I said "Frozen ATPL" and had no explanation to go along with it. Only one person took the time to give me good advice with reasoning, so yes I took that on board and have taken the word "frozen" off my cv. Then you come along and go off on another tangent about something I already know and have been through. So by this stage I've had several comments made on my thread and even though there were a couple points of good advice, none of them answered the question I posted. So I think it's really unfair for you to acuse me of not wanting advice.
I never said I wouldn't take advice. I've always taken on board good advice including the advice given to me in the last thread. However when I see several other people comment on the same thing without being constructive it gets really frustrating, especially when out of all the comments not a single one answered my question. If you noticed there were a couple of comments that did nothing other than to criticise the fact that I said "Frozen ATPL" and had no explanation to go along with it. Only one person took the time to give me good advice with reasoning, so yes I took that on board and have taken the word "frozen" off my cv. Then you come along and go off on another tangent about something I already know and have been through. So by this stage I've had several comments made on my thread and even though there were a couple points of good advice, none of them answered the question I posted. So I think it's really unfair for you to acuse me of not wanting advice.
Most 'help me find a job' threads here won't accurately answer specific questions because the only people who know what jobs are on offer are the employers themselves.
With the exception of a few like Skydive Andy they are not in the business of offering feedback or advice on Pprune.
As far as asking which employers to avoid, anyone stupid enough to go into detail about that could soon be engaging with lawyers. We are not protected here by our anonymous call signs.
Pilots looking for the same job as you are not going to come on here and help you either.
Of course they may throw out a few red herrings. Think about that.
With the exception of a few like Skydive Andy they are not in the business of offering feedback or advice on Pprune.
As far as asking which employers to avoid, anyone stupid enough to go into detail about that could soon be engaging with lawyers. We are not protected here by our anonymous call signs.
Pilots looking for the same job as you are not going to come on here and help you either.
Of course they may throw out a few red herrings. Think about that.
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Of your list, with your hours and a decent attitude you could expect at least an interview if you contact or visit Westwing in TL (particularly if you are willing to do MA or the straits) and Hinterland in cairns. Nice to see someone following the old school route rather than the airline sausage factory cadet thing. Good luck.
