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Exactly why would/should you buy or not buy a Brumby?

Old 26th Jan 2015, 00:29
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Exactly why would/should you buy or not buy a Brumby?

Seems a reasonable question for Australia Day - pros and cons please.
Have a good day all.

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 00:42
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all good, just make sure you pick a decent engine..
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 00:44
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Australia Day you say?

Aren't they made in China or at least shortly will be?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 01:12
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It would be good if the Aircruiser was aerobatic, two up.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 02:25
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Huh?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 03:07
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If I had the money I'd buy one.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 03:48
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 03:57
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Brumby Aircraft Australia

Which model are you looking at?

Wonder is they've actually produced an "Aircruiser", the images are computer generated not photos?

Turbine version of the Aircruiser seems optimistic given the turbine CT4 went nowhere.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 04:27
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Folks,
The Brumby 600 is about the only LSA that has been flight tested (by a highly qualified and certification experienced test pilot) throughout the full flight envelope, to the standards of a Normal Cat. CASR/FAR 23, and then some.

This alone is a major recommendation.

Structurally, they beat most of the competition hands down, that is why their empty weight is a bit up on the competition, but "you can't have one without the other", as the old song goes.

The aircraft could be certified in Primary Cat. (much higher AUW) with the only structural change being some minor increases in sheet metal gauge.

Being of aluminium, any repairs are straight forward, unlike, say, carbon fibre.
You have choice of three engines (counting the different models of Rotax as one), I would probably go for the Rotax, or the new version of the Jab., with all the bugs eliminated ---- true, it exists.

The Lycoming option does not have much history behind it, to tell us what it is going to be like in service, and is heavy.

As for the modernised Aircruiser, forget it, a market does not exist -- just add up the new aircraft of similar performance sold last year,world wide, it is a very small number.

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 05:17
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or the new version of the Jab., with all the bugs eliminated ---- true, it exists.
I sincerely hope so Leady, I really do ... It would be a great engine.

But back to the question, because you can go to the factory and talk to an Aussie.

Forky, your showing your age. Didn't those things go out of production a couple of decades ago?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 05:26
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It's not quite clear from the website if they currently sell anything that is certified. Anyone know?

It'd be interesting to know how the price of the 600 compares with the Rotax powered Tecnam (all-metal) P2002 which is available in a fully certified version and which has, on paper at least, very similar weights, speeds etc. It's a nice little thing to fly and, if someone could produce a similar aircraft for significantly less cost, it'd be a good recipe.

Certification builds confidence but comes at a big cost to the maufacturer. However, while the volume sales may be in the LSA sector, the success of the certified Tecnams (various models) shows there is a market. Good luck to Brumby for having a go and maybe with the Chinese capital they can crack both the LSA and certified markets.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 06:08
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if they currently sell anything that is certified.
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Yes, they are certified in the LSA category.
They meet and exceed the Normal category handling standards, including spin recovery, something few other LSA can boast.
They meet the Primary cat. (Part 23) standards up to a gross weight of about 750 kg, with only a small change of gauge in some sheetmetal.
Given my experience of some of the Tecnam, in my opinion the Brumby 600 is structurally superior, and one of the best handling aircraft around, regardless of certification category.
In my opinion, the Brumby aircraft will survive under Australian operating conditions to a far greater extent than other LSA, and some of the smaller Normal cat. aircraft.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 07:16
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LeadSled, aren't they making them in or are going to make them in China soon?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 07:45
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LeadSled, aren't they making them in or are going to make them in China soon?
Sqawk7700,
There was a good article in a recent edition of Australian Flying about the deal with Avic.
As I read the article, a lots of components will be manufactured in China, and I assume that aircraft for the Chinese market will be assembled in China. However, I think aircraft for the Australian and any export markets will be assembled in AU under the Brumby LSA production approvals.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 08:03
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LeadSled, aren't they making them in or are going to make them in China soon?
Sadly this will be on every Aussie manufacturer's mind. In any event some seriously good stuff comes from China these days.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 08:22
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Not fair Forkie. I happen to know that On Eyre owned one of those.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 09:46
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That I did Ozaggie. Pity they are not still made.
But back to the airborne version, the big question is will potential buyers die of old age while waiting on delivery ?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 09:55
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Would You Like To Wait 2 Years For One And Then Discover A Myriad Of Faults?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 12:25
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some of the brumbies delivered over 2 years ago are still going strong in the training environment.. the low wing one with the oleo strut undercarriage had some issues with off tarmac runways, but they no longer make that option..

i would happily own one.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 13:37
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I never knew they Brumby picked up the Aircruiser design. Would be great to see it in production, but I think it's along shot.

Interesting to see in the images that they seem to have redesigned the Airtourer wing tips.
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