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Westwing Aviation Getting Saab 340's?

Old 16th Jan 2015, 06:12
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Westwing Aviation Getting Saab 340's?

With the recent press release stating that Westwing Aviation are securing two 36 seaters.

I'm putting two and two together and coming up with those ex Vincent Aviation SF340's in Townsville.

Anyone confirm?
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 06:38
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From the QLD papers, they were taking on at least two ex-skytrans DH8-100s.

Makes a bit more sense, as I understand they have picked up a couple of the former skytrans pilots.
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 06:39
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Pretty sure they are 34 seaters.... A few different sources say they will be leasing two of Skytrans old dash 8s
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 11:00
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I think REX has picked up at least one of the ex Vincent 340's
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 11:49
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Pete Collings himself has said - on this very topic - "Nothing that you read on PPRuNe is true"
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 12:29
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Soooo....he DIDN'T say that then Horatio?
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 12:53
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And their press release;

http://www.westwing.com.au/wp-conten...ia-Release.pdf

Another 19 seat aircraft (2nd 1900?) and two 36 seat (Dash 8?)next month.

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Old 16th Jan 2015, 21:39
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A SAAB 340 isn't 36 seats anyway.
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 22:13
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Two months just doesn't seem long enough to add a new type to their AOC, especially a Dash 8. Check & Training, maintenance, cabin crew, ground handling etc are all a big step up from a 1900.

What about a current Dash 8 operator flying a couple on behalf of West Wing?

My guess would be Maroomba, given there's a couple aircraft sitting in Cairns now that we're probabily on their AOC only six months ago. That would make the two month timeframe a lot more achievable.
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 22:29
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A SAAB 340 isn't 36 seats anyway.
SAAB 340 standard config is various layouts of 34 seats, there are also 36 seat configs (37 with one in the jump).
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 09:17
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Two months just doesn't seem long enough to add a new type to their AOC, especially a Dash 8. Check & Training, maintenance, cabin crew, ground handling etc are all a big step up from a 1900.
Absolutely correct. It will take at least 12 months to get a Dash 8 on their AOC. Don't listen to anything that their 'spokesman' says. He is a used car salesman ex Skytrans, his disdain towards regulatory requirements and his disdain towards compliance is immeasurable. Sorry, as much as I wish it were true as there are a lot of good unemployed pilots out there, the Dash onto the AOC won't happen in 8 weeks. No chance.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 10:12
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The biggest operator of the 340 in aus lists Max seats as 34 on their website. Most are 33 (11 rows of 3).
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 10:35
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Japan Air Commuter has SAAB 340 with a row 12, 3 seats in an alcove where the rear toilet usually goes, galley reduced and toilet moved to front, 36 seats. Not sure how many other operators used this option and how many have found their way here, I think there is at least one 36 seater in Australia.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 22:37
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It won't be a SAAB

It won't be a Saab 340 purely because it doesn't have the required performance to operate out of all the ports Skytrans served. If you read the Rex press releases there is no mention of Coen or Lockhart River for this reason. Why would West Wing choose an aircraft type that can't serve these places?

Besides, as others have stated the Saab standard config is 33/34 seats, so it's not going to be a Saab!!
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 22:50
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Here's hoping West Wing doesn't venture down the same path as Skytrans though, and rid of their GA down the track. Time and time again in that part of the world, it's been proven that it doesn't work.

The saving grace perhaps though, is Pete has been around for a long time and know's what he's doing. Nice guy to work for when I was there.

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Old 17th Jan 2015, 23:25
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I'm not a betting man though I'd bet the house that WWA don't go bigger than the B1900. The set up costs and ongoing operational costs wouldn't add up to a profit on such marginal routes. And there's no guarantee, as history has shown on more than one occasion, that coming to the rescue in the short term will give any company any priority during the tender process.

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Old 18th Jan 2015, 10:23
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Playing around with Flight aware tonight and discovered Awesome Aviation (B1900 lease company based in Perth) Beech 1900C VH-EMK flew from Perth to Cairns (including a night stop in Townsville) mid last week. The aircraft is still in Cairns according to Flight Aware.

Very good chance this is the extra 19 seat aircraft mentioned in the press release.
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Old 20th Jan 2015, 23:23
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one of the ex Vincent Saab 304B's parked at TSV is 36 seats.
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Old 20th Jan 2015, 23:28
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yes but who says that if WWA gets bigger aircraft that they will only do marginal routes. Plenty of routes out there that require something like a Saab 340/Dash 8/Atr 42 that are not operated at present (at least not operated nonstop)
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Old 20th Jan 2015, 23:30
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didn't Macair have at least one ATR42 ?
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