ASIC Review
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Don't at all disagree the ASIC is completely useless and just a money drain.
You go for your medical, it triggers an automatic security check, and it all progresses from there.
I've got no problem with someone looking at my priors, and signing off that I should be ok...or even be interviewed.
Producing your Flight Crew Ticket and Current Medical should be enough to prove you are supposed to be airside......years ago in Uluru, having the key to the plane wasn't enough evidence
Licence and ASIC...
If us flying criminals need to be monitored, unlike truck drivers, dentists and butchers...why is it not possible to combine the Licence.. a "security sensitive certificate"..( according to Auscheck, AG dept) with the security ASIC..aka Aust Pilots Sort of "security" Inconvenience Card.
A permanent/ 10 yrs ? photo ID Pilots Licence like a Drivers Licence...and when you commit mayhem they take it off ya ...and then you cant enter a security restricted area airside.
Aah thats right ..got to keep plucking the bucks from the flying peasantry
A permanent/ 10 yrs ? photo ID Pilots Licence like a Drivers Licence...and when you commit mayhem they take it off ya ...and then you cant enter a security restricted area airside.
Aah thats right ..got to keep plucking the bucks from the flying peasantry
You want a system where the spooks actually do a proactive monitoring job ?, instead of just a quick records scan when we have the temerity to apply for an ASIC.
It'll never happen.
It'll never happen.
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I am back in USSA to paraphrase the Beatles ( I keep forgetting there are those too young to remember them) and flying happily on my FAA pilot certificate.
No ASIC or equivalent required. Less airport security than Ayers Rock or the power crazed security team at Mildura..credit card licence.
It's so frikkin easy!
Why do the power tripping petty bureaucrats in Oz constantly want to build empires, complicate simple things and generally consume so much wasted time effort and money, not theirs of course, all of us who actually try to make a go of commercial general aviation..I am so over casa ( deliberately small letters) which is full of petty minded, though largely ignorant of industry realities.
There are of course always exceptions, and I truly thank the few in that pointless and tine wasting empire who have some realistic understanding of life outside the ivory towers. They are vastly outnumbered by morons who strive to make life difficult, to the point of impracticality, on a daily basis.
I was going to say that they are the worlds worst civil aviation body, but there are some highly corrupt central and South American countries that just beat them by making general aviation almost impossible. At least regulatory officials in these other countries can be educated. It takes a small brown paper bag, but then you can resume normal service. Those narrow minded dill at casa will seize some pointless, obscure interpretation of a legalese convoluted reg and use as an NCN to force an operator to comply with their opinion. Next auditor has a completely different interpretation. God help me!
Aviation Security is largely ineffective for aviation security. That is for operators, crew and passengers. For the aviation safety industry it is money for nothing. Pay peanuts, use monkeys and employ motherhood statements to justify this massive waste of time and money. Makes me sick that this nonsense is embraced by the Australian regulators and actively promoted as a contributor to aviation safety. Utter bullsh!t.
Rant mode OFF.
In USA now so it's all so much quicker easier simpler and cheaper.
HD
No ASIC or equivalent required. Less airport security than Ayers Rock or the power crazed security team at Mildura..credit card licence.
It's so frikkin easy!
Why do the power tripping petty bureaucrats in Oz constantly want to build empires, complicate simple things and generally consume so much wasted time effort and money, not theirs of course, all of us who actually try to make a go of commercial general aviation..I am so over casa ( deliberately small letters) which is full of petty minded, though largely ignorant of industry realities.
There are of course always exceptions, and I truly thank the few in that pointless and tine wasting empire who have some realistic understanding of life outside the ivory towers. They are vastly outnumbered by morons who strive to make life difficult, to the point of impracticality, on a daily basis.
I was going to say that they are the worlds worst civil aviation body, but there are some highly corrupt central and South American countries that just beat them by making general aviation almost impossible. At least regulatory officials in these other countries can be educated. It takes a small brown paper bag, but then you can resume normal service. Those narrow minded dill at casa will seize some pointless, obscure interpretation of a legalese convoluted reg and use as an NCN to force an operator to comply with their opinion. Next auditor has a completely different interpretation. God help me!
Aviation Security is largely ineffective for aviation security. That is for operators, crew and passengers. For the aviation safety industry it is money for nothing. Pay peanuts, use monkeys and employ motherhood statements to justify this massive waste of time and money. Makes me sick that this nonsense is embraced by the Australian regulators and actively promoted as a contributor to aviation safety. Utter bullsh!t.
Rant mode OFF.
In USA now so it's all so much quicker easier simpler and cheaper.
HD
Closing date for submissions is tomorrow....
Just a reminder.
Things to Ponder:
1. Where was the evidence to base the initial implementation?
2. What evidence is there that it has achieved anything
3. What do other countries that are higher risk than Australia do?, ie USA, UK, Europe?
Just a reminder.
Things to Ponder:
1. Where was the evidence to base the initial implementation?
2. What evidence is there that it has achieved anything
3. What do other countries that are higher risk than Australia do?, ie USA, UK, Europe?
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Old Akro,
You want evidence?? How about, how many terrorists have been caught since the introduction of ASIC's... None..zero...Zip...So there!! our security system works!!
Of course there are some who would say its not about safety and its not about security.
Its about MONEY!!
Like most things to do with regulation in Australia.
You want evidence?? How about, how many terrorists have been caught since the introduction of ASIC's... None..zero...Zip...So there!! our security system works!!
Of course there are some who would say its not about safety and its not about security.
Its about MONEY!!
Like most things to do with regulation in Australia.
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I have just submitted application to renew ASIC, and also coincidentally renewed my Passport.
Passport renewal easy. No certified photographs or ID Documents. Just application and 2 recent photo's (no endorsement on photo's neeed.
Contrast with ASIC. Certified copies of licence (multi page part 61, each page certified by JP), certified copy of passport, and certified(JP) copy of drivers licence.
Cannot understand. If Passport Office can do it so easily, why can't ASIC be renewed with same ease?
And Passport lasts 10 years, ASIC 2 years.
About 4 times the cost per year for ASIC.
Passport renewal easy. No certified photographs or ID Documents. Just application and 2 recent photo's (no endorsement on photo's neeed.
Contrast with ASIC. Certified copies of licence (multi page part 61, each page certified by JP), certified copy of passport, and certified(JP) copy of drivers licence.
Cannot understand. If Passport Office can do it so easily, why can't ASIC be renewed with same ease?
And Passport lasts 10 years, ASIC 2 years.
About 4 times the cost per year for ASIC.
It is easier if you can go to the actual issuing body in person. It is because you are doing the application by post that creates the ID verification process more onerous. In the case of the passport, you either go to the DFAT office or Australia Post who do the verification on the spot. If you could find an ASIC issuing body locally then the process would be very similar. That is, take your application and ID docs along, they check them, take your photo and money and done. Exactly like the passport process.
As for the cost and validity of the ASIC vs Passport, I agree that it does seem out of whack. The difference is, a passport can be issued to just about anyone whereas an ASIC does involve quite a detailed criminal history check both with the feds and state based cops and under the current legislation, that check has to be carried out every two years.
Looks like the Minister's appetite to vary the ASIC requirements for smaller airports and GA has been knocked on the head.
Maybe the new minister for aviation the Richard Smith will change things when he gets elected.
As for the cost and validity of the ASIC vs Passport, I agree that it does seem out of whack. The difference is, a passport can be issued to just about anyone whereas an ASIC does involve quite a detailed criminal history check both with the feds and state based cops and under the current legislation, that check has to be carried out every two years.
Looks like the Minister's appetite to vary the ASIC requirements for smaller airports and GA has been knocked on the head.
Maybe the new minister for aviation the Richard Smith will change things when he gets elected.
Last edited by YPJT; 3rd Feb 2016 at 05:27.
