CASA warns about drones in bushfires
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Both Model Aero Clubs operate under Advisory Circular 8.2 & 8.3.
Both Model Aero Clubs operate under Advisory Circular 8.2 & 8.3.
8.2 Finding Model Flying Sites for Model Aircraft
8.2.1 The operator of a model aircraft weighing over 100 grams is required to obtain permission before flying a model above 400 ft AGL within controlled airspace or within 3 nautical miles of an aerodrome. While this rule means that a model aircraft may be flown above 400 ft AGL clear of these areas, there are advantages in seeking approval for a permanent model aircraft operating area. Publication of the details of a model aircraft operating area means that other users of airspace will be advised where there is potential for conflict with model aircraft.
8.2.2 Try to fly at a site which is already established rather than trying to obtain individual permission. The model associations are listed in Appendix K and should be able to advise you of local sites.
8.2.3 For advice on the location of controlled airspace in a particular part of the country, check with the local CASA district office on CASA’s toll free number, 131 757.
8.2.4 Flight within an aerodrome control zone can be cleared by the relevant Air Traffic Control unit. Telephone numbers are listed in local telephone directories under ‘Airservices Australia’.
8.3 Approved Areas
8.3.1 It is far better to establish a permanent model flying site, rather than seek one-off permission. A written permission for the use of a site may have conditions, such as a height limit and times of use. There may also be a requirement to notify air traffic control when the site is actually being used. There are many sites already established on this sort of basis.
8.3.2 Direct liaison with CASA is needed to arrange this type of permission. This is most easily arranged by a club or and through an Association.
8.2.1 The operator of a model aircraft weighing over 100 grams is required to obtain permission before flying a model above 400 ft AGL within controlled airspace or within 3 nautical miles of an aerodrome. While this rule means that a model aircraft may be flown above 400 ft AGL clear of these areas, there are advantages in seeking approval for a permanent model aircraft operating area. Publication of the details of a model aircraft operating area means that other users of airspace will be advised where there is potential for conflict with model aircraft.
8.2.2 Try to fly at a site which is already established rather than trying to obtain individual permission. The model associations are listed in Appendix K and should be able to advise you of local sites.
8.2.3 For advice on the location of controlled airspace in a particular part of the country, check with the local CASA district office on CASA’s toll free number, 131 757.
8.2.4 Flight within an aerodrome control zone can be cleared by the relevant Air Traffic Control unit. Telephone numbers are listed in local telephone directories under ‘Airservices Australia’.
8.3 Approved Areas
8.3.1 It is far better to establish a permanent model flying site, rather than seek one-off permission. A written permission for the use of a site may have conditions, such as a height limit and times of use. There may also be a requirement to notify air traffic control when the site is actually being used. There are many sites already established on this sort of basis.
8.3.2 Direct liaison with CASA is needed to arrange this type of permission. This is most easily arranged by a club or and through an Association.
Andy_RR
Before you assume you can operate a model aircraft the way you think you can I would suggest looking up the definition of the word "may" with regard to the context it is used in this CASR. It has been deliberately written the way it has so that CASA can decide when you may operate your model aircraft in CTA and or near an aerodrome.
Before you assume you can operate a model aircraft the way you think you can I would suggest looking up the definition of the word "may" with regard to the context it is used in this CASR. It has been deliberately written the way it has so that CASA can decide when you may operate your model aircraft in CTA and or near an aerodrome.
101.075 Operation near aerodromes
(1) A person may operate an unmanned aircraft at an altitude above 400 feet AGL within 3 nautical miles of an aerodrome only if:
(a) the operation is permitted by another provision of this Part; or
(b) permission has been given for the operation under regulation 101.080.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(2) A person may operate an unmanned aircraft over an area mentioned in paragraph (3)(a) or (b) only if:
(a) the operation is permitted by another provision of this Part; or
(b) permission has been given for the operation under regulation 101.080.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(3) The areas for subregulation (2) are:
(a) a movement area or runway of an aerodrome; and
(b) the approach or departure path of a runway of an aerodrome.
(4) A person must not operate an unmanned aircraft in such a manner as to create an obstruction to an aircraft taking off from, or approaching for landing at, a landing area or a runway of an aerodrome.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(5) An offence against subregulation (1), (2) or (4) is an offence of strict liability.
Note: For strict liability, see section 6.1 of the Criminal Code.
101.400 Operation of model aircraft outside approved areas
(1) A person may operate a model aircraft outside an approved area above 400 feet AGL only if he or she:
(a) keeps it in sight; and
(b) keeps it clear of populous areas.
Penalty: 10 penalty units.
Note 1: For populous area, see regulation 101.025.
Note 2: CASA must publish details of the approval of an area (including any conditions) in NOTAM or on an aeronautical chart—see subregulation 101.030(5).
(2) An offence against subregulation (1) is an offence of strict liability.
(1) A person may operate an unmanned aircraft at an altitude above 400 feet AGL within 3 nautical miles of an aerodrome only if:
(a) the operation is permitted by another provision of this Part; or
(b) permission has been given for the operation under regulation 101.080.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(2) A person may operate an unmanned aircraft over an area mentioned in paragraph (3)(a) or (b) only if:
(a) the operation is permitted by another provision of this Part; or
(b) permission has been given for the operation under regulation 101.080.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(3) The areas for subregulation (2) are:
(a) a movement area or runway of an aerodrome; and
(b) the approach or departure path of a runway of an aerodrome.
(4) A person must not operate an unmanned aircraft in such a manner as to create an obstruction to an aircraft taking off from, or approaching for landing at, a landing area or a runway of an aerodrome.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(5) An offence against subregulation (1), (2) or (4) is an offence of strict liability.
Note: For strict liability, see section 6.1 of the Criminal Code.
101.400 Operation of model aircraft outside approved areas
(1) A person may operate a model aircraft outside an approved area above 400 feet AGL only if he or she:
(a) keeps it in sight; and
(b) keeps it clear of populous areas.
Penalty: 10 penalty units.
Note 1: For populous area, see regulation 101.025.
Note 2: CASA must publish details of the approval of an area (including any conditions) in NOTAM or on an aeronautical chart—see subregulation 101.030(5).
(2) An offence against subregulation (1) is an offence of strict liability.
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I barely remember the Moorabbin RC club adjacent to the airport (YMMB) from many moons ago. I heard rumours that it was a very good club with strict flying policies, however it suddenly closed, I think after a runaway RC plane crashed into a parked aircraft. These days it's all about individuals with bugger all concern for policies and the rule book.
Last summer whilst bicycling along the bay I came across an individual who was flying his quadcopter drone in a public park. He looked a bit geeky and a bit of a loner, but he seemed to be well organised with a carry bag full of tools and spares, and half decent radio gear. I watched him run this device around the park at a height of 20 ft and sometimes up to speeds approaching 80km/h - you sure wouldn't want to be hit in the back of the head with that thing. He eventually ran the battery dry and I observed that it was too hot for him to touch in order to change it so I left. An hour later I returned only to find him trying to get his quadcopter drone out of a tree
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Limits? The only limits that apply to these people is when something goes wrong.
Last summer whilst bicycling along the bay I came across an individual who was flying his quadcopter drone in a public park. He looked a bit geeky and a bit of a loner, but he seemed to be well organised with a carry bag full of tools and spares, and half decent radio gear. I watched him run this device around the park at a height of 20 ft and sometimes up to speeds approaching 80km/h - you sure wouldn't want to be hit in the back of the head with that thing. He eventually ran the battery dry and I observed that it was too hot for him to touch in order to change it so I left. An hour later I returned only to find him trying to get his quadcopter drone out of a tree
.Limits? The only limits that apply to these people is when something goes wrong.
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Both model aircraft sites likely do operate under advisory circular 8.2 & 8.3
It is worth noting however that advisory circular 8.2.1 does state -
8.2 Finding Model Flying Sites for Model Aircraft
8.2.1 The operator of a model aircraft weighing over 100 grams is required to obtain
permission before flying a model above 400 ft AGL within controlled airspace or within 3
nautical miles of an aerodrome. While this rule means that a model aircraft may be flown
above 400 ft AGL clear of these areas, there are advantages in seeking approval for a
permanent model aircraft operating area. Publication of the details of a model aircraft
operating area means that other users of airspace will be advised where there is potential
for conflict with model aircraft.
As for the chap or chapess flying the quadcopter over Q1, C LL there is 1500....and he is below that.....C LL SFC does not occur until around Miami...he is also around 9.76 NM from the threshold of RWY 14 OOL...and thus under part 8.2.1 Is allowed high than 400ft AGL as he is more than 3 x the required distance from an aerodrome.....and below 1500.....
8.2.2 goes on to state - 8.2.2 Try to fly at a site which is already established rather than trying to obtain
individual permission.
No need to obtain individual permission if adhering to point 8.2.1...
Actually point 8.2.1 goes further to say -
While this rule means that a model aircraft may be flown
above 400 ft AGL clear of these areas, there are advantages in seeking approval for a
permanent model aircraft operating area
Interestingly no mention of what those advantages are....but I guess they are an advantage to CASA by being able to add a little paper plane icon with the letter M next to it on a VTC..and the advantage is.....Ops limited to 400ft AGL.
No mention of the (no doubt) disadvantages of working inside a (likely) highly politicised club environment, with all the attendant would be policemen involved...
It is worth noting however that advisory circular 8.2.1 does state -
8.2 Finding Model Flying Sites for Model Aircraft
8.2.1 The operator of a model aircraft weighing over 100 grams is required to obtain
permission before flying a model above 400 ft AGL within controlled airspace or within 3
nautical miles of an aerodrome. While this rule means that a model aircraft may be flown
above 400 ft AGL clear of these areas, there are advantages in seeking approval for a
permanent model aircraft operating area. Publication of the details of a model aircraft
operating area means that other users of airspace will be advised where there is potential
for conflict with model aircraft.
As for the chap or chapess flying the quadcopter over Q1, C LL there is 1500....and he is below that.....C LL SFC does not occur until around Miami...he is also around 9.76 NM from the threshold of RWY 14 OOL...and thus under part 8.2.1 Is allowed high than 400ft AGL as he is more than 3 x the required distance from an aerodrome.....and below 1500.....
8.2.2 goes on to state - 8.2.2 Try to fly at a site which is already established rather than trying to obtain
individual permission.
No need to obtain individual permission if adhering to point 8.2.1...
Actually point 8.2.1 goes further to say -
While this rule means that a model aircraft may be flown
above 400 ft AGL clear of these areas, there are advantages in seeking approval for a
permanent model aircraft operating area
Interestingly no mention of what those advantages are....but I guess they are an advantage to CASA by being able to add a little paper plane icon with the letter M next to it on a VTC..and the advantage is.....Ops limited to 400ft AGL.
No mention of the (no doubt) disadvantages of working inside a (likely) highly politicised club environment, with all the attendant would be policemen involved...
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101.025
Meaning of populous area
For this Part, an area is a populous area in relation to the operation of an unmanned aircraft or rocket if the area has a sufficient density of population for some aspect of the operation, or some event that might happen during the operation (in particular, a fault in, or failure of, the aircraft or rocket) to pose an unreasonable risk to the life, safety or property of somebody who is in the area but is not connected with the operation.
So further out to Sea, and actually closer to civil aircraft, in the instance of the Q1 quad copter at least helps it to further comply with 101.025?
Meaning of populous area
For this Part, an area is a populous area in relation to the operation of an unmanned aircraft or rocket if the area has a sufficient density of population for some aspect of the operation, or some event that might happen during the operation (in particular, a fault in, or failure of, the aircraft or rocket) to pose an unreasonable risk to the life, safety or property of somebody who is in the area but is not connected with the operation.
So further out to Sea, and actually closer to civil aircraft, in the instance of the Q1 quad copter at least helps it to further comply with 101.025?
Andy_RR
Before you assume you can operate a model aircraft the way you think you can I would suggest looking up the definition of the word "may" with regard to the context it is used in this CASR. It has been deliberately written the way it has so that CASA can decide when you may operate your model aircraft in CTA and or near an aerodrome.
Before you assume you can operate a model aircraft the way you think you can I would suggest looking up the definition of the word "may" with regard to the context it is used in this CASR. It has been deliberately written the way it has so that CASA can decide when you may operate your model aircraft in CTA and or near an aerodrome.
Also, there is, as far as I can see, no clause which specifically prohibits operation below 400 AGL within 3nm of an airfield.
Andy_RR
No it isn’t.
In this context “May” is “Expressing Possibility”. It is a deliberate use of the word and allows CASA a wide interpretation as it has done through the AC. Another word that is littered through the CASR is “Should”. These worlds don’t imply anything but give incredible flexibility to the regulator in how they interpret them. CASA’s interpretation is in the “Advisory Circular”.
In this context, "may" == "is allowed to".
In this context “May” is “Expressing Possibility”. It is a deliberate use of the word and allows CASA a wide interpretation as it has done through the AC. Another word that is littered through the CASR is “Should”. These worlds don’t imply anything but give incredible flexibility to the regulator in how they interpret them. CASA’s interpretation is in the “Advisory Circular”.
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CASA’s interpretation is in the “Advisory Circular”.
Yes indeed it is, and clearly states -
8.2.1 The operator of a model aircraft weighing over 100 grams is required to obtain
permission before flying a model above 400 ft AGL within controlled airspace or within 3
nautical miles of an aerodrome. While this rule means that a model aircraft may be flown
above 400 ft AGL clear of these areas, there are advantages in seeking approval for a
permanent model aircraft operating area.
While this rule means that a model aircraft may be flown
above 400 ft AGL clear of these areas...End of....no proviso, no 'subject to approval'...none, and in fact rather cut and dry is "While this rule means" a bit like 'Shall' rather than 'Should'
Still and all a humble little RC pilot would never have the resources to defend him/herself against a body such as CASA....we know what they're like....
It does suggest though that model flight below 400ft AGL and within 3 Nm is allowable without permission
Yes indeed it is, and clearly states -
8.2.1 The operator of a model aircraft weighing over 100 grams is required to obtain
permission before flying a model above 400 ft AGL within controlled airspace or within 3
nautical miles of an aerodrome. While this rule means that a model aircraft may be flown
above 400 ft AGL clear of these areas, there are advantages in seeking approval for a
permanent model aircraft operating area.
While this rule means that a model aircraft may be flown
above 400 ft AGL clear of these areas...End of....no proviso, no 'subject to approval'...none, and in fact rather cut and dry is "While this rule means" a bit like 'Shall' rather than 'Should'
Still and all a humble little RC pilot would never have the resources to defend him/herself against a body such as CASA....we know what they're like....
It does suggest though that model flight below 400ft AGL and within 3 Nm is allowable without permission
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When fires are going it's usually pretty crappy weather with winds up to 30 or 40 knots, add that to all sorts of thermals and willy willy's and it's pretty hard work in a 7 ton 802. A light radio controlled toy is not going to be flying in those conditions.
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the people that flew the drone through the burnt out zig zag railway shed near lithgow started the higher profile.
Wow.....really? I haven't seen the footage...but that must difficult.....they were remotely flying a drone inside a burnt out shed??
What is a 'higher profile?'
the operators lost one over a large fire at bribie island
'The Operators' being???....If they lost one over a large fire in Bribie, then that is not start up or mop up....?
Wow.....really? I haven't seen the footage...but that must difficult.....they were remotely flying a drone inside a burnt out shed??
What is a 'higher profile?'
the operators lost one over a large fire at bribie island
'The Operators' being???....If they lost one over a large fire in Bribie, then that is not start up or mop up....?
