VH Baron Interception Indonesia
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Over flight clearances
under ICAO Article 5, a private, non commercial, non scheduled flight does not require a clearance for over flight or landing for a fuel stop.
FLIGHT OVER TERRITORY OF
CONTRACTING STATES
Article 5
Right of non-scheduled flight
Each contracting State agrees that all aircraft of the other
contracting States, being aircraft not engaged in scheduled international air
services shall have the right, subject to the observance of the terms of this
Convention, to make flights into or in transit non-stop across its territory
and to make stops for non-traffic purposes without the necessity of obtaining
prior permission, and subject to the right of the State flown over to require
landing. Each contracting State nevertheless reserves the right, for reasons
of safety of flight, to require aircraft desiring to proceed over regions which
are inaccessible or without adequate air navigation facilities to follow
prescribed routes, or to obtain special permission for such flights.
All that is required is a flight notification or flight plan.
How ever a lot of third world countries are not used to private flights and ignore ICAO Article 5, insisting on clearances.
PNG and SOLOMON ISLANDS are ICAO registered states that are very confused regarding ICAO obligations.
When planning into or over 3rd world countries a lot of grief can be avoided by obtaining a clearance prior to the intended flight, even though it is NOT REQIRED !
FLIGHT OVER TERRITORY OF
CONTRACTING STATES
Article 5
Right of non-scheduled flight
Each contracting State agrees that all aircraft of the other
contracting States, being aircraft not engaged in scheduled international air
services shall have the right, subject to the observance of the terms of this
Convention, to make flights into or in transit non-stop across its territory
and to make stops for non-traffic purposes without the necessity of obtaining
prior permission, and subject to the right of the State flown over to require
landing. Each contracting State nevertheless reserves the right, for reasons
of safety of flight, to require aircraft desiring to proceed over regions which
are inaccessible or without adequate air navigation facilities to follow
prescribed routes, or to obtain special permission for such flights.
All that is required is a flight notification or flight plan.
How ever a lot of third world countries are not used to private flights and ignore ICAO Article 5, insisting on clearances.
PNG and SOLOMON ISLANDS are ICAO registered states that are very confused regarding ICAO obligations.
When planning into or over 3rd world countries a lot of grief can be avoided by obtaining a clearance prior to the intended flight, even though it is NOT REQIRED !
Did they file an international flight plan?
If not. How were they going to be let into the Phillipines?
If not. How were they going to be let into the Phillipines?
Go to collect same a/c this week, big drama because of no entry permit. Arrival location covering their ass big time saying we couldn't contact you after you departed previous location. Funny. Flight plan accepted, I have HF, no record in tower logs, no mention on arrival...
Ps. 7 day notice req for entry/exit permit (not mentioned in Jepps). Get a handler.
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Another one has been intercepted apparently, this time a Beechcraft C90, VH-PFK. Interestingly, it's was being flown by Singaporean flight crew. 
Another foreign plane intercepted by RI fighter jets | The Jakarta Post
Another foreign plane intercepted by RI fighter jets | The Jakarta Post
Indonesian fighter jets force private plane en route to Australia to land in West Tim
Ok, what gives? Pilots thought Indonesia is such a dump they don't have radar and fighter jets? Can't even follow a magenta line? Or is Indonesia such a dump that they can't keep track of overflight permits?
Apparently it was owned by a Saudi prince, so they were probably on their way to the Melbourne Cup! 
However this is the third aircraft that has been grounded in Indo - there was another one grounded the day before.
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However this is the third aircraft that has been grounded in Indo - there was another one grounded the day before.
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I'm with Mainframe on this.
The Indonesians are commitinning an act of piracy against an aircraft of a contracting state, who is entitled to free passage through its airspace.
To demand a fine or ransom and to use armed force is piracy, the culprits should be treated as such.
Tough talk by the New Presisident, but he is either with ICAO and the world order or he is not. ( and give up your Aust $$$$)
The Indonesians are commitinning an act of piracy against an aircraft of a contracting state, who is entitled to free passage through its airspace.
To demand a fine or ransom and to use armed force is piracy, the culprits should be treated as such.
Tough talk by the New Presisident, but he is either with ICAO and the world order or he is not. ( and give up your Aust $$$$)
Love this quote: "They were required to pay the usual Rp 60 million ($5670) fine for their error, El Tari airport air force spokesman Captain Sigit told the Indonesian news website"
Dont think that would pay the interceptors fuel bill so not much of a business model!
Dont think that would pay the interceptors fuel bill so not much of a business model!
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Owned by a Saudi prince?
Oh dear,
guess a few Indonesians will have a whole wealth of grief at next years Haj.
Course this could be payback for the Saudi's lopping Indonesian housemaids heads off.
Oh dear,
guess a few Indonesians will have a whole wealth of grief at next years Haj.
Course this could be payback for the Saudi's lopping Indonesian housemaids heads off.
Last para in this article in the Aust. edition of the Guardian makes it clear that you need THREE different clearances to fly in Indonesian airspace, according to Brigadier General Tjahjanto.
"...flight clearance from the transportation ministry, diplomatic clearance from the foreign ministry and security clearance from the air force."
Saudi prince's jet intercepted in Indonesia is allowed to leave | World news | The Guardian
"...flight clearance from the transportation ministry, diplomatic clearance from the foreign ministry and security clearance from the air force."
Saudi prince's jet intercepted in Indonesia is allowed to leave | World news | The Guardian
And even if you have all three, if your handler fcuks up and doesn't advise them (even though he has sent you an email confirmation and has known about it for a week), they will initially allege you didn't have clearance, then prosecute you as the pilot for not notifying customs or immigration.
New Indonesian president is already asserting his authority ref. The RAN entering Indonesian waters to turn back Indonesian boats with Indonesian crews smuggling welfare seeekers. Aircraft being stopped is nothing more than cannon shots across the governments bows.
And the press has it wrong again. Its $5-50M RP, not $60M.
New Indonesian president is already asserting his authority ref. The RAN entering Indonesian waters to turn back Indonesian boats with Indonesian crews smuggling welfare seeekers. Aircraft being stopped is nothing more than cannon shots across the governments bows.
And the press has it wrong again. Its $5-50M RP, not $60M.
New Indonesian president is already asserting his authority ref. The RAN entering Indonesian waters to turn back Indonesian boats with Indonesian crews smuggling welfare seeekers. Aircraft being stopped is nothing more than cannon shots across the governments bows.
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ICAO ARTICLE 5
Marauder,
ICAO Article 5 clearly describes the right of a private, non scheduled, non revenue flight to overfly the airspace of an ICAO contracting by an aircraft of an ICAO contracting state.
A flight plan needs to be lodged, or notification given to the airspace owner.
I say again that most 3rd world countries do not understand ICAO Article 5, even if you sit down with them and go through it word for word with them as I have.
Given that status, as previously posted, even though it is NOT REQUIRED, lodging a request for overflight clearance is the only thing they understand and it fits in with their comfort zone and lack of knowledge.
ICAO Article 5 clearly describes the right of a private, non scheduled, non revenue flight to overfly the airspace of an ICAO contracting by an aircraft of an ICAO contracting state.
A flight plan needs to be lodged, or notification given to the airspace owner.
I say again that most 3rd world countries do not understand ICAO Article 5, even if you sit down with them and go through it word for word with them as I have.
Given that status, as previously posted, even though it is NOT REQUIRED, lodging a request for overflight clearance is the only thing they understand and it fits in with their comfort zone and lack of knowledge.
Time honoured method of willy waggling in the third world and I'd hazard a guess that it is less about impressing us, than proving to his electorate that he's a hard man, willing and able to stick it to the rest of the world. They'll probably get bored with it soon enough, but TWT's thought of them trying it with Uncle Vlad on his way to Brissie would be worth it for entertainment value alone.