tell us about your crew meals
You lot get meals??? Shheeeerrrr loooookshury.
Where I work you gotta get up an hour before you got to sleep, walk 20 miles to the airport and pay for the luxury of paying for the luxury of buying your own crew meal.
Where I work you gotta get up an hour before you got to sleep, walk 20 miles to the airport and pay for the luxury of paying for the luxury of buying your own crew meal.
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As for bringing your own, I did do it for year and it's quite difficult to manage. I personally think Pilots carrying Eskies isn't a particularly good look but hey I don't blame them.
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My Dad told me about a crew lunch pack loaded in Marseille for a 1950s freight charter flying crayfish back to the UK. Pilot, FO and R/O had a beautifully presented Salad Nicoise, accompanied by a small bottle of St Raphael, a red wine (alcoholic) aperitif! The high life indeed!
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We're entitled to 1 crew meal if our duty is over 5 hours.
2 meals if over 10 hours and 3 meals if over 13 hours.
We don't have a galley so it's cold meals for us.
We have a choice of sandwiches, Low fat low cholesterol, salads, crudités, breakfast or a meal.
Quality can range from barely edible to really tasty.
Usually there's a sandwich or a pasta meal, a roll with marg or butter and cheese, juice, fruit and biscuits or a slice of cake.
Some local things like german bread or dutch waffles.
2 meals if over 10 hours and 3 meals if over 13 hours.
We don't have a galley so it's cold meals for us.
We have a choice of sandwiches, Low fat low cholesterol, salads, crudités, breakfast or a meal.
Quality can range from barely edible to really tasty.
Usually there's a sandwich or a pasta meal, a roll with marg or butter and cheese, juice, fruit and biscuits or a slice of cake.
Some local things like german bread or dutch waffles.
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Back in the old Mail run days it was packaged Big sister fruitcake, (which a certain ppruner refueller would confiscate from us if we had any leftovers!
We rapidly learned to take extra) minties, (as many as you wanted) and Jatz crackers with those cheese triangles!
Dinner at the Boulia Pub on the Saturday Night was looooxury!!!! Especially the garlic bread!
We rapidly learned to take extra) minties, (as many as you wanted) and Jatz crackers with those cheese triangles!Dinner at the Boulia Pub on the Saturday Night was looooxury!!!! Especially the garlic bread!
Was crumbed steak the Thursday night special back then too Pinky?
(which a certain ppruner refueller would confiscate from us if we had any leftovers!
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Was crumbed steak the Thursday night special back then too Pinky
'Course I don't remember too much about the Boulia Pub,
other than the fact it was one of, if not the best outback watering holes I ever patronised!
A certain Partenavia pilot didn't call me the mintie muncher for nothing!
I think some of you are getting precious. In MOST cases it is possible to buy something and take it to work. This includes you whiners on 11 day trips. People with specific dietary (and not so specific - paleo) seem to cope just fine bringing food to work and finding it O/S. Yes it is harder to find healthier food or something edible in some places, or when you've got a fairly long duty ie extending to 16hrs or more.
I'm sure most guys and girls in GA that don't get catering would love a hot meal while they're dragging some over paid polly out to Burketown in a 40yo baron, but they pack their own lunch and don't whinge about it. I can only imagine the response I would've gotten if I'd asked GAM to cater my bank running everyday.
And to answer the original question, we get 4 business class hot meals, most of which are pretty good (probably not amazingly healthy) especially when hungry at 4am. I also bring my own food if I am trying to be healthy.
Rant over.
I'm sure most guys and girls in GA that don't get catering would love a hot meal while they're dragging some over paid polly out to Burketown in a 40yo baron, but they pack their own lunch and don't whinge about it. I can only imagine the response I would've gotten if I'd asked GAM to cater my bank running everyday.
And to answer the original question, we get 4 business class hot meals, most of which are pretty good (probably not amazingly healthy) especially when hungry at 4am. I also bring my own food if I am trying to be healthy.
Rant over.
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Oh? Who was that? Initials will do.
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Holy crap RC! Extended duty to 16 hours. What sort of FRMS do you work under? I'm guessing (hoping) split shifts.
The whole crew meal thing, (at least for RPT carriers) came about, and continues to this day as an alternative to regular crew breaks. The ironic thing is, crew meals in themselves do not mitigate fatigue. It's for this reason that many crews place an emphasis on not only their edibility, but quality as well.
As far as I'm concerned, given the choice I wouldn't touch them, too many variables. I would much prefer adequate breaks during a duty. If the companies who provide many of these poor excuses for nutrition were serious about fatigue, then they would too.
I'll wait for Hell to freeze over!
The whole crew meal thing, (at least for RPT carriers) came about, and continues to this day as an alternative to regular crew breaks. The ironic thing is, crew meals in themselves do not mitigate fatigue. It's for this reason that many crews place an emphasis on not only their edibility, but quality as well.
As far as I'm concerned, given the choice I wouldn't touch them, too many variables. I would much prefer adequate breaks during a duty. If the companies who provide many of these poor excuses for nutrition were serious about fatigue, then they would too.
I'll wait for Hell to freeze over!
I take my own meals to be heated up on the aircraft. Make up some food, stick it in a foil tray, into the freezer, then out on the days you need it.
Goes into a cooler bag which goes into my flight bag when I go to work and is normally still quite frozen half way through the shift when it's taken out to go into the oven.
I don't know why people are so up in arms about those of us that have to do it. It's normally better than the alternative.
I did several years in aeromed where you had to take your own food for your 12hr shift. No oven, just a cooler bag, maybe a microwave at one of your stops. Yet we never died at the controls.
Krusty, the aeromed organisation I worked for allowed up to 16hr shifts (max 12hrs rostered). However you were given some pretty generous time off after that.
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Goes into a cooler bag which goes into my flight bag when I go to work and is normally still quite frozen half way through the shift when it's taken out to go into the oven.
I don't know why people are so up in arms about those of us that have to do it. It's normally better than the alternative.
I did several years in aeromed where you had to take your own food for your 12hr shift. No oven, just a cooler bag, maybe a microwave at one of your stops. Yet we never died at the controls.
Krusty, the aeromed organisation I worked for allowed up to 16hr shifts (max 12hrs rostered). However you were given some pretty generous time off after that.
morno
Yep that's fine.
Just don't get incapacitated in flight because you know who they will blame!!!
Doesn't work for me though on 5 day patterns around Asia. Also my caring company have said we are not allowed to heat personal food in the Ovens, something about contaminating the Ovens ...........
Just don't get incapacitated in flight because you know who they will blame!!!
Doesn't work for me though on 5 day patterns around Asia. Also my caring company have said we are not allowed to heat personal food in the Ovens, something about contaminating the Ovens ...........
Horses for courses..... (pun intended)
Sure you blokes and blokesses in GA fully deserve those hot crew meals. I agree fully. Aeromed.. yeah been there and done that.. decent nosh was fairly important to get though that 14-16 hour day.
However it's your bosses in GA that are the problem. Just because there hasn't been a incident/accident related to food safety yet, doesn't mean it's a problem. The absence of a accident does not indicate the relative safety of the operation.
If $40-50s a crew for a crew meal on a operation is going to break the bank, should the operation be going in the first place?
RPT wise, yes, crew meals aren't just a safety measure, it's also a OTP measure. Can't have the crew missing OTP because they were out getting Subway. It's called, being proactive... more so about OTP sometimes! And exactly how the hell are you mean to self cater on a 4 day trip with minimum 10 hour rests in between, often in hotels that are located no where near supermarkets etc. Can you guarantee HACCP standards for your food?
HACCP procedures do make the food safety standard much higher than BYO or Subway. Ask NZ "Aviation Expert" Peter Clark all about that one... and the store bought chicken sandwich that caused the problem in the first place.
Like it or not.. we're human and we have to eat. It's not a economic inconvenience, its a basic human need, that needs to be fulfilled if we are to do our jobs safely...
Sure you blokes and blokesses in GA fully deserve those hot crew meals. I agree fully. Aeromed.. yeah been there and done that.. decent nosh was fairly important to get though that 14-16 hour day.
However it's your bosses in GA that are the problem. Just because there hasn't been a incident/accident related to food safety yet, doesn't mean it's a problem. The absence of a accident does not indicate the relative safety of the operation.
If $40-50s a crew for a crew meal on a operation is going to break the bank, should the operation be going in the first place?
RPT wise, yes, crew meals aren't just a safety measure, it's also a OTP measure. Can't have the crew missing OTP because they were out getting Subway. It's called, being proactive... more so about OTP sometimes! And exactly how the hell are you mean to self cater on a 4 day trip with minimum 10 hour rests in between, often in hotels that are located no where near supermarkets etc. Can you guarantee HACCP standards for your food?
HACCP procedures do make the food safety standard much higher than BYO or Subway. Ask NZ "Aviation Expert" Peter Clark all about that one... and the store bought chicken sandwich that caused the problem in the first place.
Like it or not.. we're human and we have to eat. It's not a economic inconvenience, its a basic human need, that needs to be fulfilled if we are to do our jobs safely...
OTP? I could quite easily either do the walk and entire set up while bloggs does the food run and still be ready to push early. The problem is getting the rest of the staff to get off facebook or actually concentrate and or try to get the machine out on time. People dont realise that those 30 minutes are for working not laughing and socialising. ****s me.
Krusty,
Yeah they were split duties, long days bank running all week. It's what I think about when I'm complaining being up at 2am en route somewhere - and then I shut up.
I miss every minute of flying that 680 back into Melbourne at night though, and waking everyone in Essendon up at 730.
Yeah they were split duties, long days bank running all week. It's what I think about when I'm complaining being up at 2am en route somewhere - and then I shut up.
I miss every minute of flying that 680 back into Melbourne at night though, and waking everyone in Essendon up at 730.
I have lots of issues with my crew meals!
Always too much, too little, tastes horrible or is just simply full of stuff I do not like...
And no matter how much I complain to the wife. She just can't get it right!
In any case it is on average, far better than the crew catering I used to receive when on duty.
Always too much, too little, tastes horrible or is just simply full of stuff I do not like...
And no matter how much I complain to the wife. She just can't get it right!
In any case it is on average, far better than the crew catering I used to receive when on duty.
