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Old 18th Jul 2014, 23:55
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'Chocks' that was definitely funny & rather poignant here:-)
Perhaps some youth today simply don't have that trait within them as it's a dog eat dog world today where it's all about me:-)

'MEA' That too is a funny story, nice to see humor is still alive & well in this at times sh1tty business of aviation By the way did she get seasick or did you simply throw her overboard?:-)

Once upon a time over 50 meant you where as good as dead as far as aviation jobs go & marriages actually:-) :-)

Fortunately the couple of posters who really are out of touch here have not returned, the rest of us can only support you not 'label' you

I truly hope the original poster can take solace in the fact that there are some out there who really haven't got a clue about personal feelings!

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Old 18th Jul 2014, 23:58
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I would also like to point out that the person who calls HR at other companies to perpetuate a Blacklisting will certainly be limiting their own future career options with those companies.

Dumb.

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Old 19th Jul 2014, 02:39
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If an employee sent the email, then the company is indeed liable, and will be deemed to have committed an act of discrimination. They may offer the defence as described above, but technically, that should not be considered as a mitigation strategy.



Shaky ground and a brave move to send such an email.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 03:51
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Ladies and Gentleman,

Before we are labelled "Ogre's" and worse according to the experts on this forum. JETGO would like to say that the UNSIGNED email sent to "Why Panic" WAS sent by an unauthorized person from an open computer within the organisation. Obviously the company and its management are appalled and embarrassed at the content of the email and are not the views shared by its management. We advise we since have contacted the original applicant and asked him to send his application to management directly. JETGO are investigating as to how this email eventuated.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 04:09
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Jetgo's reply above opens up further questions, such as how did the person who replied gain access twice to this 'open' computer ie their first reply re being to old and the subsequent reply?
How many other applications did this person access?
What other files did this person access?
How did this person gain access to this computer and the office it's located in?
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 04:11
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This email response was written by a staff member who was not authorised to do so and does not reflect the view of the company.

The staff member concerned has been counselled and no longer has any association with pilot recruitment

The management regrets any offence caused and apologises to mr XX. We would be happy to review mr xx's resume should he wish to apply again."

He would then be interviewed and oddly be unsuccessful.
n.

Hmmm, looks like you might be right Snakecharma.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 05:05
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Kaz
You are right about the trolls. But not about the law. Christie vs Qantas set the bar.

The unions continue to support members dismissed due age but to my knowledge every case in the last few years has been thrown out.

Is it fair? Probably not! But it is not Jetgo that set the age limit.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 05:32
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Update

I've received a very apologetic email from senior management at Jetgo. They have assured me that the matter has been taken most seriously and that the content of the emails I received was never official company policy. I was offered a chance to re-apply, and assured of a "fair hearing" but I have declined.

I want to say thank-you for all the fantastic support I've received here on Pprune.

The issue of ageing and finding yourself slowly entering a world of diminishing opportunities is a very sensitive one. But I guess that's life and we all have to face it, but it can be very frustrating when you feel you are doing the job as well as ever. I hope employers can appreciate that the older ones still have a lot to contribute, experience to pass on, and we aren't just hours building and ready to run off to the majors at the first opportunity. - Enough said, am putting away the soap box.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 08:41
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The 'unauthorised person' story is a bit hard to believe. But, if true, surely that person will get his/her sorry arse fired. Most companies have very strict protocols surrounding mis-use of communication networks, so this one would be easy to sack without any fallout from the unions or unfair dismissal tribunals.
More likely it's damage control with a certain pilot-manager sporting a freshly torn new rectum, courtesy the guy who is funding this show and who would have faced considerable inconvenience had it gone further.
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 09:11
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What's an open computer?
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 09:19
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What's an open computer?
Good point Nulli
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 09:29
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..........JETGO are investigating as to how this email eventuated.

Forget the email!

Start with how do you recruit someone/ people capable of this level of unprofessional conduct.

As a management team, ask yourselves how did you manage to let this happen?

AND, most of all, DO NOT attempt to water down this person's complaint with the email was UNSIGNED & sent by an unauthorised person. Its a company communication, it is unprofessional and its from Jetgo! Own it!
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 09:43
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JETGO would like to say that the UNSIGNED email sent to "Why Panic" WAS sent by an unauthorized person from an open computer within the organisation. Obviously the company and its management are appalled and embarrassed at the content of the email and are not the views shared by its management.
Very good, Jetgo Management; But what are you going to do with the 'unauthorised sender?' And please do not say 'counsel him/her.'

Nulli Secundus; Precisely!
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 10:31
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An open computer is one where a user has forgotten to sign off properly, thus allowing unauthorised use of that persons login.

Also one that has been smashed to the floor in a tantrum.
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Christie went to the IRC in 1994. It was heard in the HCA in 1998. The Court held that the requirements of the particular position relied upon had to be inherent, ie involving permanent features of the position and not features that vary in time and place.

It found that “the age of sixty” could not be described as "permanent". The evidence showed that the retirement age for Qantas pilots had varied over time, including by the increase from fifty- five to sixty years during Captain Christie's service.

Christie lost because the High Court upheld the second leg of the Qantas argument which was the fact that 60 years of age was the age mandated in some other Convention countries.

As best as I can ascertain, Jetgo limits it's operations to Australia and there is no basis for an argument about what goes on in other Convention countries.

Post Christie, of course, the Age Discrimination Act was gazetted and age discrimination became unlawful removing the emotive arguments relating to a "disability".

If the argument is about insurers then they must be able to produce actuarial data to support the decision to refuse/load insurance at age 60.

Free hills have kindly published a digest on age discrimination at
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 11:48
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What I find alarming is that the 'sensitive' information i.e Pilot Recruitment is left open for anyone to gain access?
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 12:44
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'Why panic" most of us stand before you proud of yr actions here, well done & it has shown up what JetGo are really like despite their trying to back pedal now. It (email) might very well have been unsigned & sent from an unauthorized person but it had the desired effect & hit it's target with what would have been a devastating effect at first.

As I mentioned previously they have in a strange sort of way done you a favour here & maybe even some others who might be thinking of applying but will now think twice:-)

For all it's faults PPrune is a very powerful tool as is all social media in spreading the word, right or wrong!

We salute those that have morals


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Old 19th Jul 2014, 13:46
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Kaz3g,

For someone who appears to do their research on legal matters, you haven't been following the tread as well as you might. Try post #7 where International Ops are mentioned.

JetGo has previously operated to Europe via SE Asia and the ME for Bill Peach Tours(BPT). They were scheduled to go this year as well, but there was a problem with Ukraine, Egypt/ME and a few other things, the tours were cancelled out a month or two ago, mainly due to security concerns was the story. Pissed some family friends off no end, as they were scheduled to do some of the European tours with BPT and JetGo.

Strangely, since the other day, they're not that fussed any more about heading over that way at present. Good call by BPT and JetGo to make the call early to cancel out of the area I reckon.

I'm not sure if any of the countries that they were scheduled to fly through have the age restrictions(as the tour details have been removed from the BPT website) but it's a distinct possibility.


50 50,

I'm far from a computer expert but as JetGo has stated on another thread that they'll soon be opening a new website, which was apparently visible for a few hours, a day or so ago, according to a poster here on PpRune. Could the open computer be linked to that? I.E. A hack.


Nulli and Pinky,

To continue my question directed to 50 50, if they've been hacked, they'd hardly want to admit it, and if so, your questions, and those of other posters, about their staff and recruitment, could be seen to be a bit harsh, could they not?
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 14:07
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I have nothing but praise and admiration for your response to this situation why panic. Your courage and integrity is to be commended, and I hope you're flying again soon
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Old 19th Jul 2014, 14:36
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Before we are labelled "Ogre's" and worse according to the experts on this forum
So now you try to deflect what came from your company and your employee by patronising those on this forum, who called your companies actions to task, by calling them "experts" in what can only be taken in a derogatory manner.

Gotta ask, do you guys have a professional PR Advisor or are you doing all this on the fly? Geez!!!

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