Ramp Check Advice From CASA.
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I've been " Ramp Checked " " Drug & Booze Tested " a few times at what I would describe as smaller strips. Never been a problem ever, never asked for anything I wouldn't have covered before departing, not been interested in anything except safety. Never asked for fuel cals or w&b stuff. Been done approx 6 times now. No issue.
Creamie and Leadie, So what happens when I land at Thargomindah and the self serve avgas fuel nozzle doesn't have an earth lead? Can I legally refuel? Or should I be carrying a short length of hook up wire with an alligator clip on each end? 
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Am I infering correctly from this that GA pilots in Australia may be subject to ad-hoc drug and alcohol testing (as opposed to testing for probable cause) or am misunderstanding/reading too mush into it?
Must have been a spate of refueling fires … 
And doesn't recognise the fact that virtually all aircraft tyres are self grounding.
Re. part 91, I can't give your rule number, try searching "fixed final reserve".
Tootle pip!!
PS: In the interests of belt and braces, I still like to hook up the grounding lead from the fueling equipment, and my standard kit has a lead and a bulldog clip attached to my big screwdriver.
Am I infering correctly from this that GA pilots in Australia may be subject to ad-hoc drug and alcohol testing (as opposed to testing for probable cause) or am misunderstanding/reading too mush into it?
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in my kit are bulldog clips, alligator clips , utilux clips , bicycle clips
but the old air safety digest clips are all at home in a file
when dymo came out old LAME mate dymoed EARTH on part of his nose strut. Up above on the nose he put MOON
i got hold of the thing, printed out DAG and put that on his coffee mug
funniest bit of dymoing I ever saw was on on the locker in the change room, smoko room , of the old FSU at Coffs. Stan Simmons was on the staff there. A more laid back FSO than red headed Slack Stan you never met. Items of equipment and a lot of other gear besides round the place had the time worn inscription ESSENTIAL USE ONLY
what Stan labelled on his locker was -
SENSUAL USE ONLY
Another FSO there was JR .. another one off. He'd tell you were 2 by 2 and when you went to ask him to his face WTF? he'd come back with a
laconic too loud and too often
but the old air safety digest clips are all at home in a file
when dymo came out old LAME mate dymoed EARTH on part of his nose strut. Up above on the nose he put MOON
i got hold of the thing, printed out DAG and put that on his coffee mug
funniest bit of dymoing I ever saw was on on the locker in the change room, smoko room , of the old FSU at Coffs. Stan Simmons was on the staff there. A more laid back FSO than red headed Slack Stan you never met. Items of equipment and a lot of other gear besides round the place had the time worn inscription ESSENTIAL USE ONLY
what Stan labelled on his locker was -
SENSUAL USE ONLY
Another FSO there was JR .. another one off. He'd tell you were 2 by 2 and when you went to ask him to his face WTF? he'd come back with a
laconic too loud and too often
A Squared.
Australians are subjects of the government. Australians are culturally programmed to meekly acquiesce as every aspect of their lives is micro-regulated.
Aviation D+A testing laws have been a perfect experiment that has proved the level of micro-regulation is unnecessary. Untold millions in establishing and administering the testing regime, and the number of people caught being countable on the fingers of one hand.
Then a court found there was a fundamental flaw in the rules, making prosecutions impossible.
Has drug and alcohol-addled mayhem broken out in aviation? Of course not: Everyone continues to do exactly what they did before the rules were made.
The very sad thing is that instead of learning from the experiment, the regulator will now spend time and money to ‘fix’ the rules and the industry will meekly acquiesce with the re-imposition rather than repeal of the rules.
Australians are subjects of the government. Australians are culturally programmed to meekly acquiesce as every aspect of their lives is micro-regulated.
Aviation D+A testing laws have been a perfect experiment that has proved the level of micro-regulation is unnecessary. Untold millions in establishing and administering the testing regime, and the number of people caught being countable on the fingers of one hand.
Then a court found there was a fundamental flaw in the rules, making prosecutions impossible.
Has drug and alcohol-addled mayhem broken out in aviation? Of course not: Everyone continues to do exactly what they did before the rules were made.
The very sad thing is that instead of learning from the experiment, the regulator will now spend time and money to ‘fix’ the rules and the industry will meekly acquiesce with the re-imposition rather than repeal of the rules.
Let me google that for you:
Post #351 here: http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...review-18.html
and:
Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Project SS 14/03
Post #351 here: http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...review-18.html
and:
Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Project SS 14/03
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I have been told the cost of D+A works out to
around $6 million for each person caught. About as efficient
use of tax payers money as the reg reform program???????
Now lets see??.... divide a quarter Billion dollars by how many regs
should equal the cost per reg??...now if we could just get the
buggers to stop churning them out for a sec....
I have been told the cost of D+A works out to
around $6 million for each person caught. About as efficient
use of tax payers money as the reg reform program???????
Now lets see??.... divide a quarter Billion dollars by how many regs
should equal the cost per reg??...now if we could just get the
buggers to stop churning them out for a sec....
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How to handle a Ramp check.
A CASA FOI was on a “Field” trip in the NT.
Unfortunately the fish were not biting so he decided to go duck hunting instead. Using carefully honed hunting techniques learnt from lurking around GA airports looking for miscreants, he finally managed to get a shot away and dropped a bird, but it fell over the other side of a fence. Looking around he saw a bit of dirt strip with a tin shed up one end with a couple of Cessna’s and a chopper or two parked outside. Must be an Ag strip he thought.
As the FOI climbed over the fence, a grizzled old bloke on an antiquated tug
drove up and asked him what he was doing. The FOI responded, "I shot a duck and it fell in this field, and now I'm going to retrieve it."
The old fella replied, "Mate this is my private property, and the law says without my permission you are not coming over here so I guess its duck for my dinner tonight."
The indignant FOI said, "I am from CASA “the law” does not apply to us in Australia, if you don't let me get that duck, I'll return with an audit team. You will be branded a not “Fit and Proper person” and your licence revoked, all your aircraft will be grounded and by the time CASA legal have finished with you in court you will have lost everything you own."
The old Bloke smiled and said, "Apparently, you don't know how we settle disputes in the Territory . We settle small disagreements like this with the 'Three Kick Rule.'
The FOI asked, "What is the 'Three Kick Rule'?"
The old Bloke replied, "Well, because the dispute occurs on my land, I get to go first. I kick you three times and then you kick me three times and so on back and forth until someone gives up."
The FOI quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided that he could easily take the old codger. He agreed to abide by the local custom.
The old Bloke slowly climbed down from the Tug and walked up to the FOI.
His first kick planted the toe of his heavy steel-toed work boot into the FOI’s groin and dropped him to his knees!
His second kick to the midriff sent the FOI’s last meal gushing from his mouth. The FOI was on all fours when the old fella’s third kick to his rear end, sent him face-first into a fresh cow pat.
Summoning every bit of his will and remaining strength the FOI very slowly managed to get to his feet. Wiping his face with the arm of his jacket, he said, "Okay, you old fart. Now it's my turn."
(I love this part)
The old fella smiled and said, "Nah, I give up. You can have the duck."
A CASA FOI was on a “Field” trip in the NT.
Unfortunately the fish were not biting so he decided to go duck hunting instead. Using carefully honed hunting techniques learnt from lurking around GA airports looking for miscreants, he finally managed to get a shot away and dropped a bird, but it fell over the other side of a fence. Looking around he saw a bit of dirt strip with a tin shed up one end with a couple of Cessna’s and a chopper or two parked outside. Must be an Ag strip he thought.
As the FOI climbed over the fence, a grizzled old bloke on an antiquated tug
drove up and asked him what he was doing. The FOI responded, "I shot a duck and it fell in this field, and now I'm going to retrieve it."
The old fella replied, "Mate this is my private property, and the law says without my permission you are not coming over here so I guess its duck for my dinner tonight."
The indignant FOI said, "I am from CASA “the law” does not apply to us in Australia, if you don't let me get that duck, I'll return with an audit team. You will be branded a not “Fit and Proper person” and your licence revoked, all your aircraft will be grounded and by the time CASA legal have finished with you in court you will have lost everything you own."
The old Bloke smiled and said, "Apparently, you don't know how we settle disputes in the Territory . We settle small disagreements like this with the 'Three Kick Rule.'
The FOI asked, "What is the 'Three Kick Rule'?"
The old Bloke replied, "Well, because the dispute occurs on my land, I get to go first. I kick you three times and then you kick me three times and so on back and forth until someone gives up."
The FOI quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided that he could easily take the old codger. He agreed to abide by the local custom.
The old Bloke slowly climbed down from the Tug and walked up to the FOI.
His first kick planted the toe of his heavy steel-toed work boot into the FOI’s groin and dropped him to his knees!
His second kick to the midriff sent the FOI’s last meal gushing from his mouth. The FOI was on all fours when the old fella’s third kick to his rear end, sent him face-first into a fresh cow pat.
Summoning every bit of his will and remaining strength the FOI very slowly managed to get to his feet. Wiping his face with the arm of his jacket, he said, "Okay, you old fart. Now it's my turn."
(I love this part)
The old fella smiled and said, "Nah, I give up. You can have the duck."
No worries - as you will have seen from the links, the prosecutions didn't get to court. The CDPP raised concerns about the paradox created by the legislation.
Edit: My apologies. My earlier post was incorrect when I said "a court found". It was the CDPP that raised the concerns.
Edit: My apologies. My earlier post was incorrect when I said "a court found". It was the CDPP that raised the concerns.
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It's just very different than the US. So I was making sure I didn't misunderstand what goes on.
Along with that, we have the best red-tape in the developed world, we have a rule for everything, ask me a question on something and I will find 20 or so rules that you must follow to answer that question. We have eliminated personal responsibility, this is awesome when you have a nation of dumb arses (government induced).We also have the most awesome user pays system in the western world, nothing is left to chance here