25 years on .. gatherings ?
Yeah Pinky I get your point but I too had local and foreign "gentleman" step in and take my job at Ansett. I was only a young new FO at the time, what was I supposed to do? My life long ambition of joining Ansett was destroyed right before my eyes in a flash. You lost your 402 job? Get over it.
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nitpicker330 Please read my post again. I quote the relevant bit below. Note the bolding;
I was mad as hell at the time, let my AFAP membership lapse,but I got over it.
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So let me understand this:
You resign from your jet job, someone else takes the vacant position, you feel hard done by.
You take some other poor smucks piston job, for as long as you feel you need it before finding another jet/turboprop job, yet you're telling him to get over it ?
IMHO, our industry will be a better place when you selfcentred ignorant guys retire and let the rest of us try to salvage a living from what is left.
Try to leave the industry better than you found it,,,,,,,,,,,,, IMHO your generation has failed miserably.
You resign from your jet job, someone else takes the vacant position, you feel hard done by.
You take some other poor smucks piston job, for as long as you feel you need it before finding another jet/turboprop job, yet you're telling him to get over it ?
IMHO, our industry will be a better place when you selfcentred ignorant guys retire and let the rest of us try to salvage a living from what is left.
Try to leave the industry better than you found it,,,,,,,,,,,,, IMHO your generation has failed miserably.
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Easy, Stink Finger. I think my earlier post was simply misunderstood.
Yes sorry Pinky I see you got over it.
I have as well and can honestly say it's worked out quite well for me after quite a few years of heart ache and worry.
Stinkfinger-----to say that shows you have absolutely no understanding of the events during that incredibly difficult period for all the poor sods involved and what incredible odds we were up against whilst trying to improve the terms and conditions for all Pilots.
Anyway read Sky Pirates, you need to be educated my friend.
I have as well and can honestly say it's worked out quite well for me after quite a few years of heart ache and worry.
Stinkfinger-----to say that shows you have absolutely no understanding of the events during that incredibly difficult period for all the poor sods involved and what incredible odds we were up against whilst trying to improve the terms and conditions for all Pilots.
Anyway read Sky Pirates, you need to be educated my friend.
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Yes sorry Pinky I see you got over it.
Sky Pirates! Synopsis:
The Doctor and Benny travel on the ship Schirron Dream. They confront various hostile climates, bizarre crew members and an alien race threatening the entirety of the local star system.
Pretty well sums up the whole disaster!
The Doctor and Benny travel on the ship Schirron Dream. They confront various hostile climates, bizarre crew members and an alien race threatening the entirety of the local star system.
Pretty well sums up the whole disaster!
Before Tid locks this thread ( which must be close? ) I would strongly suggest you educate yourself and also take a careful read of this website--
The Australian Pilots Dispute of 1989 by Alex Paterson
The Australian Pilots Dispute of 1989 by Alex Paterson
I'm not sure that you have "got over it" if you are suggesting that I need to educate myself about an event that occurred 25 years ago, particularly from a website that keeps tabs on who went back and who didn't! If you want an alternative view can I suggest the 4th edition of Aviation Law in Australia and its precis on the dispute/strike. Have to agree with you on one point though it must be close, click click.
I wish it was as simple as that fellas but the truth is that it wasn't.
If a better outcome was had in 89 then rest assured the Airline industry in Australia would be a much better place today
If a better outcome was had in 89 then rest assured the Airline industry in Australia would be a much better place today
It's easy to tell people to "get over it" but you have no idea what they had to get over back then. Typically, 89ers are all hung up on their own circumstances. They have no idea what the impact was on Stinky or Pinky (who lost the 402 job) or 1000s of other people in small business and they don't seem to care. That's not very nice!
Me, I wasn't caught up in it LUCKILY but that doesn't mean I didn't care or form an opinion, based on the selfishness I observed. It's called "empathy", nosepicker.
As for blame, you have to admit you were part of an operation that represents the biggest industrial ****-up in the Oz aviation industry to date. Whom do you suggest the blame lies with? If the shoe fits............
But I retract my earlier statement; THEY can buy ME a beer. Where are we meeting??
I know and like lots of very respectable guys amongst the 89ers so don't get your undies in a bunch.
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Yes it is getting very close to the big lock. From the title the thread was intended to assess interest in a few friendly social gatherings.
Instead of social gatherings, we're back to the same old cr*p that resulted in this subject being banned on PPRuNe a decade ago.
Get over it or move on!
One more try to be nice.......
Instead of social gatherings, we're back to the same old cr*p that resulted in this subject being banned on PPRuNe a decade ago.
Get over it or move on!
One more try to be nice.......
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The best thing to come out of it all is, pilots over twenty eight years old can get into an airline.
Before, when you hit that age there was absolutely NO hope of getting in other than being in a company that was bought out by Ansett.
There are a lot of blokes who are older who have the realistic hope of getting into a medium jet possie with nose to the grindstone conditions for a few years and attain their dream.
Before, when you hit that age there was absolutely NO hope of getting in other than being in a company that was bought out by Ansett.
There are a lot of blokes who are older who have the realistic hope of getting into a medium jet possie with nose to the grindstone conditions for a few years and attain their dream.
It is indeed a shame that every year we see this very sad event get dredged up again, I guess human nature means, for some, that the past is ever present. I was on the cusp of going places in aviation when this event struck but was smart enough not to leave my current job (not flying). I can't imagine what it was like for those effected & I don't pretend to understand but harboring something as hostile & tragic as that almost shameful event in Australia's industrial relations history right or wrong doesn't achieve a thing other than self hurt.
There's been many events over the years not only in Aviation that we as a nation are not proud of but we learn from it (like we do in everything in life) & we move on to foster a better place for the generations to come
Am somewhat surprised that this thread hasn't been locked already but I guess the Mods are being tolerant (for a change!
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"60's" yr correct there pilots of almost any age can (if all the holes are lined up) get into an Airline well after 28 yrs of age or so, I'm the perfect Eg:-)
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There's been many events over the years not only in Aviation that we as a nation are not proud of but we learn from it (like we do in everything in life) & we move on to foster a better place for the generations to come
Am somewhat surprised that this thread hasn't been locked already but I guess the Mods are being tolerant (for a change!
)"60's" yr correct there pilots of almost any age can (if all the holes are lined up) get into an Airline well after 28 yrs of age or so, I'm the perfect Eg:-)
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One last attempt to get a dispassionate commentary on gatherings this month.
I really shake my head when considering that those who have little interest in the matter feel compelled to engage in diatribe.
I really shake my head when considering that those who have little interest in the matter feel compelled to engage in diatribe.
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Wow 35 posts on a reunion thread and yet not a single post on locations or dates. Lots of the usual justification though. Ultimately the most amazing thing about this thread is that it took a whole 12 posts for someone to invoke the Changi POW's. 
Many of us think like stink finger. There'll be a celebration when a certain group of self absorbed, cranky old buggers have finally left the industry.
Special thank to you guys for giving us the industry that we have today.
Many of us think like stink finger. There'll be a celebration when a certain group of self absorbed, cranky old buggers have finally left the industry.
Special thank to you guys for giving us the industry that we have today.
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And while you invoke past glories of warfare,think about all the poor buggers in the tourist industry who were sent broke in places like Darwin,Cairns and Tassie.But my knowledge of of pilots from that era is that narcissism is too close to their way of thinking and wouldn't give a thought to those people.
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Without the input from Abels, Hawke, Murdoch, et al, it wouldn't have happened. It completely unreasonable to blame just one side in such a stoush that was.
Without the input from Abels, Hawke, Murdoch, et al, it wouldn't have happened. It completely unreasonable to blame just one side in such a stoush that was.
