CASA vs AMSA
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CASA vs AMSA
I don't understand much about AMSA, but it seems to manage its affairs without the angst, antagonism to industry, senate scrutiny or constant regulatory reform of CASA.
They both have similar operating incomes. The General shipping register lists about 12,000 vessels (similar to the number of aircraft on CASA's register) except that it has small vessel registration handled by state car registration authorities (I guess like CASA subcontracts LSA to the RAA). Both have international co-ordination activities, both have crew licensing. Both deal with small tourist operators (is a tourist yacht operation much different than a tourist scenic flight operation?).
AMSA has a SAR role that CASA doesn't and AMSA has an environment responsibility (ie oil spills, etc) that CASA doesn't. CASA has a larger high volume passenger responsibility (there are more airliners than ocean liners), but that's probably a scale issue more than a skill issue.
Maybe I just don't mix in maritime circles, but I've never heard of 5pm Friday faxes from AMSA. I can't recall 4 corners programms devoted to them. I can't recall reading newspaper articles about enquiries into their activities. I can't recall any instances of allied overseas agencies criticising AMSA's performance.
Does anyone have a perspective of both organisations?
They both have similar operating incomes. The General shipping register lists about 12,000 vessels (similar to the number of aircraft on CASA's register) except that it has small vessel registration handled by state car registration authorities (I guess like CASA subcontracts LSA to the RAA). Both have international co-ordination activities, both have crew licensing. Both deal with small tourist operators (is a tourist yacht operation much different than a tourist scenic flight operation?).
AMSA has a SAR role that CASA doesn't and AMSA has an environment responsibility (ie oil spills, etc) that CASA doesn't. CASA has a larger high volume passenger responsibility (there are more airliners than ocean liners), but that's probably a scale issue more than a skill issue.
Maybe I just don't mix in maritime circles, but I've never heard of 5pm Friday faxes from AMSA. I can't recall 4 corners programms devoted to them. I can't recall reading newspaper articles about enquiries into their activities. I can't recall any instances of allied overseas agencies criticising AMSA's performance.
Does anyone have a perspective of both organisations?
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Sure do, AMSA are a pleasure to deal with as an offshore racing sailor with International experience I find them always helpful, they hold quite frequent user seminars then after they poll the attendees to see what value they got from the AMSA input. The RCC in Canberra are really great people, rarely fussed and very efficient.
Contrast this with CASA, unhelpful to the point of being interfering and aggressive, no use of effective feedback, what more can I say ?????
Contrast this with CASA, unhelpful to the point of being interfering and aggressive, no use of effective feedback, what more can I say ?????
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Good post and relevant topic
Agreed. I have had close dealings with AMSA and NOPESMA. Both are regulatory bodies, so there is the standard bureaucratic challenges, however I found both to be very easy to work with, and the 'bullying' crap you get from CAsA is non existent. Actually both organisations do exactly what they are paid to do - regulate their respective industry, work with industry to achieve safer outcomes, improved processes and practises and foster transparency.
And don't forget that Kym Bills is on the NOPESMA Board, which should tell you something.
This thread has got me thinking. If CAsA reform is truly on the agenda of Government then Mr Truss and his band of footstools should go take a look at AMSA and NOPESMA and get a few ideas
And don't forget that Kym Bills is on the NOPESMA Board, which should tell you something.
This thread has got me thinking. If CAsA reform is truly on the agenda of Government then Mr Truss and his band of footstools should go take a look at AMSA and NOPESMA and get a few ideas
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This could scuttle my Kiwi subcontract idea. Scrap CASA completely and give AMSA the job.
I know one bloke there who knows a fair bit about aviation. I should ask him what he thinks.
I know one bloke there who knows a fair bit about aviation. I should ask him what he thinks.
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VH-WJC is a good reminder of why CASA isn't responsible for SAR.
http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/24698/198302284.pdf
http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/24698/198302284.pdf
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Dear Mr Truss,
Can I strongly urge you to consider with the utmost careful consideration taking a stroll over to the AMSA offices and ask them how they could be entrusted with the future civial aviation regulation and safety promotion. With a special emphasis on scrapping EVERYTHING in all the CAR's CASR's and anthing else for that matter.
My suggestion is this could be implemented in parallel, and then at the 12 month point (all they would need to gear up) dispense with the current regulator.
Best Regards
Jaba!
Can I strongly urge you to consider with the utmost careful consideration taking a stroll over to the AMSA offices and ask them how they could be entrusted with the future civial aviation regulation and safety promotion. With a special emphasis on scrapping EVERYTHING in all the CAR's CASR's and anthing else for that matter.
My suggestion is this could be implemented in parallel, and then at the 12 month point (all they would need to gear up) dispense with the current regulator.
Best Regards
Jaba!
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Probably not such a bad idea. It could save the guvmint gazillions if it's run by AMSA.
Just had a look at their Annual Report. The culture in that organisation is definitely leaning towards the progressive and collaborative, rather than prescriptive. Seems like they have managed to step into the 21st century Rules -new maritime Act within a couple of years?!?!
Just had a look at their Annual Report. The culture in that organisation is definitely leaning towards the progressive and collaborative, rather than prescriptive. Seems like they have managed to step into the 21st century Rules -new maritime Act within a couple of years?!?!
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rumours are interesting....
dont know the validity of these but was told that CASA is now a section under the Department of Transport and Regional Services (DOTARS)
that the head of casa has been replaced.
that the regulatory rewrite will be with us for years yet.
maybe things are changing.
what I cant understand, If ICAO is based in Montreal they have all around them in canada a decade of Canadian Owner Maintenance experience. why the hell cant we get Canadian Owner Maintenance here in Australia?
The Damage By aeroplanes act 1999 certainly creates it by default.
dont know the validity of these but was told that CASA is now a section under the Department of Transport and Regional Services (DOTARS)
that the head of casa has been replaced.
that the regulatory rewrite will be with us for years yet.
maybe things are changing.
what I cant understand, If ICAO is based in Montreal they have all around them in canada a decade of Canadian Owner Maintenance experience. why the hell cant we get Canadian Owner Maintenance here in Australia?
The Damage By aeroplanes act 1999 certainly creates it by default.
