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Old 27th Oct 2013, 09:37
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Challenging Airports, Captain only airports?

Just curious.

Interested to hear from those experienced with Jet time. I have been told MCY is captains only landing for a few A320 operators.

I know some struggle with a certain Melbourne 34 approach but anything else out there? HTI? CNS? Been told OOL is a prick when the weather turns..
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Horn Island for Qlink I've heard is Captain only. Its a challenging approach with plenty of crosswind and turbulence landing on a short(er) strip!
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The only challenging thing about horn is the local procedures, radio experts and own voice lovers which broadcast excessively.

Plus it can also get pretty busy which makes it worse .

A dash 8 can pull up in a dime if you know what you are doing. I've seen the land in under 300m.

As for Captain only airports? Non that I know of. Captain only approaches? Yes. Within a set tolerance of the minima. Cat 3b, autoland etc etc. Captain preferred airports? Yes. You'd be looking for a cup of tea with the boss if you let a cadet land on a narrow runway with ANY crosswind or marginal weather.

But hey, I'm sure they can read about it and do it anyway. Experience is nothing these days
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Dereel is definitely captain only, one way strip, rolling turbulence & the friggin' rabbits
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Lord Howe with tailwinds on both runways sometimes, a runway that is not that long and a nice rock wall if you try landing short. (literally)
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jetstar go as far as mandating it for zqn and a few others based on f/o experience

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Capt only airports? Anywhere.......when I'm flying
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Sanaa (OYSN)- at least it is in a Heavy.
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And Addis Ababa : HAAB.
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Australia and New Zealand have some of the best flying space in the world. The majority of our infrastructure also ticks the boxes, not perfect, but it does the job. To give credit where credit is due places like Hamilton Island and Maroochy, as well as Wellington or Lord Howe can be pigs at times, but certainly not a patch on somewhere like the non forgiving Kai Tak.

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Holy ****, one of those 747's was pulling pert near 30 degrees angle of bank

Back when there were no magenta lines eh!
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Captain only airports

And don't forget Al Baha (look out for the flock of hawks on final 25 !!) and Abha (6,858 ft AMSL) or Alexandria ( 6ft BMSL !!)
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My old outfit in the sandpit used to have captain only restrictions on Kathmandu and Sana'a. My current one in Asia, restricts the landing to captain only in greater than 15 kts crosswind and all taxiing is done by the captain

Doesn't bother the expats so much because we got that experience from elsewhere, but I do worry about the local cadets who can get chucked into the LHS of an A320 with 4 or 5 years flying experience and have NEVER landed a jet in a proper crosswind or indeed taxied one.
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NVSS Santo in the Pacific was a CA only airport: Short (2000m), narrow (30m) and terrain issues.

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Every airport is a 'Captain only' airport where I work!
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Sanaa (OYSN)- at least it is in a Heavy.

CTL,
What an 'orrible place, particularly if the weather is a bit ordinary.
Not my favorite place for a night-stop, either.
Tootle pip!!

PS: Kai Tak the world's most dangerous airport ---- complete and un adulterated bollox. Every REAL pilot relished the challenge of places like that.

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An FO is a Commander in training isn't he?
Only if it is ICUS. Other than that the F/O is there to support the captain.
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Only if it is ICUS. Other than that the F/O is there to support the captain.
Technically maybe but the reality is that most of those FOs are going to be captains one day and they need support, exposure and mentoring beyond the little bit of line training they get for their upgrade.

That said, landing in Sydney during curfew with more than 15 knots tail wind on 34L is a capt landing where I work.
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I think "Captain's Only" doesn't make any sense. I mean, that you don't let the guy land who came fresh out of his linetraining ok. But how are the "soon to be commanders" ever going to learn if you keep them away from the harder stuff by imposing "Captain's only airports", "Captain's Taxi / Engine start / Ground comm's / Fuel decision's etc etc... An FO is a Commander in training isn't he?
Totally agree... What about from the operational perspective from the point of view if the captain fu*ks up do you think the FO is going to chirp in and have his little bit to say during a difficult approach? .. Doubt that ! ... Much rather throw the kid in the deep end and sit back and observe so your in much better position to "command" rather than building a higher workload upon ones self!... Its a multi crew environment!!
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Seychelles on a windy day.
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