Flying Hours Down Again
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Alan Kohler of ABC news finance report put up this lovely graph last night
If only bankers did more flying hours to offset the rest of us doing far less rather than shoveling their money offshore.
If only bankers did more flying hours to offset the rest of us doing far less rather than shoveling their money offshore.
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Peterc005 - the graph is an aggregate of the private and business flying hours data sourced from the following government web sites:
HERE or http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications...tivity2010.pdf at Page 15
and
HERE or http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications...ivity_2001.pdf at Page 3
presented over a 5-year rolling average.
HERE or http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications...tivity2010.pdf at Page 15
and
HERE or http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications...ivity_2001.pdf at Page 3
presented over a 5-year rolling average.
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mmmmmmm,
Why are flying hours down? Which would translate to less people learning to fly?
How about:
Having to fill out 3 complicated forms, spelling mistake made: not sent back & not informed of mistake, sits in pile with owner not aware that it's not being processed. Meanwhile school advises student to slow training down until student licence and medical processed as solo can't occur until then. You continue to bang your students head against a brick wall for the first 2 months of their flying career, great first impression huh?
How about:
It costing at least $500 a year to maintain medicals, documents, ID's etc BEFORE you fly one hour.
How about:
35-40 year old aircraft being the mainstay of flying school fleets.
How about:
Continuing and never ending expansion of regulation & strict liability for an activity that should be fun.
How about:
Chicks don't dig pilots anymore (they know it's a scummy job with low pay & low prospects) therefore robbing a pilot of another source of return on their investment.
That's just a start
Why are flying hours down? Which would translate to less people learning to fly?
How about:
Having to fill out 3 complicated forms, spelling mistake made: not sent back & not informed of mistake, sits in pile with owner not aware that it's not being processed. Meanwhile school advises student to slow training down until student licence and medical processed as solo can't occur until then. You continue to bang your students head against a brick wall for the first 2 months of their flying career, great first impression huh?
How about:
It costing at least $500 a year to maintain medicals, documents, ID's etc BEFORE you fly one hour.
How about:
35-40 year old aircraft being the mainstay of flying school fleets.
How about:
Continuing and never ending expansion of regulation & strict liability for an activity that should be fun.
How about:
Chicks don't dig pilots anymore (they know it's a scummy job with low pay & low prospects) therefore robbing a pilot of another source of return on their investment.
That's just a start
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And while industry does it tough, CASA executives do e on caviar and fine wine. Nice salaries and bonuses boys. I couldn't find any reference to pot plant expenditure?
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset.../ar1112_p5.pdf
Dick, do you recall what the budget for pot plants was when you were there?
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset.../ar1112_p5.pdf
Dick, do you recall what the budget for pot plants was when you were there?
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Hi Dick, thank you for the reference.
Why use a five year rolling average, rather than a simple yearly total?
For the years 1991 to 2001 I used Table 5, for 2000 to 2010 I used Table 4 from the respective publications.
I couldn't get the figures in your graph and are possibly missing something obvious.
There were some interesting stats there.
The drop in Agricultural hours from 106k to 20k in a 2002 was too great to be real, but I note that the rise in Aerial Work seems to match this suggests that over time maybe some flying hours has been reclassified from Ag to Airwork.
From 1991 to 2010 the figures show that Total GA flying has increased from 1755 to 1848 k hours. There are slight dips in this curve that appear to correlate to general economic activity.
Here are the figures I have:
Year Private Business Training Agriculture Aerialwork Testferry Charter TotalGA RegionalAirline TOTAL
1991 261.7 240.3 452.6 101.3 282.7 29.7 386.5 1,754.7 209.2 1,964.0
1992 255.4 204.2 421.6 80.9 256.7 28.2 403.9 1,651.0 223.4 1,874.4
1993 265.3 212.3 436.8 89.2 278.8 28.2 393.4 1,703.9 227.7 1,931.6
1994 256.9 198.5 419.5 78.9 301.7 25.9 424.4 1,705.7 238.3 1,944.0
1995 251.0 189.1 430.6 94.5 302.4 28.2 465.7 1,761.3 243.1 2,004.4
1996 261.6 182.8 444.9 117.4 285.7 26.2 480.4 1,799.0 246.2 2,045.2
1997 266.7 176.0 449.5 128.4 307.4 27.6 483.7 1,839.3 272.4 2,111.7
1998 263.0 163.8 478.5 139.2 312.4 26.6 494.6 1,877.9 273.2 2,151.1
1999 275.9 153.3 448.8 126.3 306.6 26.6 504.6 1,842.2 277.3 2,119.4
2000 248.5 136.3 413.6 115.0 296.9 27.9 476.7 1,714.8 335.7 2,050.6
2001 261.7 144.9 406.2 106.7 294.2 23.2 466.0 1,702.9 298.0 2,000.9
2002 270.2 142.2 410.8 20.9 327.1 70.8 445.7 1 687.7 250.1 1 937.8
2003 239.7 143.4 420.3 21.2 322.5 69.7 429.2 1 645.9 234.7 1 880.6
2004 247.2 143.0 352.2 22.3 312.4 86.5 481.4 1 645.0 251.4 1 896.3
2005 239.2 149.1 415.8 22.3 318.8 95.0 482.6 1 722.8 254.7 1 977.5
2006 227.2 144.1 424.0 21.7 337.9 61.7 478.4 1 695.0 241.5 1 936.4
2007 222.7 153.4 455.4 25.7 368.0 62.1 544.5 1 831.8 241.9 2 073.8
2008 228.4 151.7 485.6 21.8 373.4 78.2 518.6 1 857.7 214.7 2 072.4
2009 239.5 148.5 497.1 16.4 363.1 73.3 469.7 1 807.5 204.1 2 011.5
2010 241.9 140.0 436.3 18.2 400.3 103.8 507.3 1 847.7 228.1 2 075.9
Why use a five year rolling average, rather than a simple yearly total?
For the years 1991 to 2001 I used Table 5, for 2000 to 2010 I used Table 4 from the respective publications.
I couldn't get the figures in your graph and are possibly missing something obvious.
There were some interesting stats there.
The drop in Agricultural hours from 106k to 20k in a 2002 was too great to be real, but I note that the rise in Aerial Work seems to match this suggests that over time maybe some flying hours has been reclassified from Ag to Airwork.
From 1991 to 2010 the figures show that Total GA flying has increased from 1755 to 1848 k hours. There are slight dips in this curve that appear to correlate to general economic activity.
Here are the figures I have:
Year Private Business Training Agriculture Aerialwork Testferry Charter TotalGA RegionalAirline TOTAL
1991 261.7 240.3 452.6 101.3 282.7 29.7 386.5 1,754.7 209.2 1,964.0
1992 255.4 204.2 421.6 80.9 256.7 28.2 403.9 1,651.0 223.4 1,874.4
1993 265.3 212.3 436.8 89.2 278.8 28.2 393.4 1,703.9 227.7 1,931.6
1994 256.9 198.5 419.5 78.9 301.7 25.9 424.4 1,705.7 238.3 1,944.0
1995 251.0 189.1 430.6 94.5 302.4 28.2 465.7 1,761.3 243.1 2,004.4
1996 261.6 182.8 444.9 117.4 285.7 26.2 480.4 1,799.0 246.2 2,045.2
1997 266.7 176.0 449.5 128.4 307.4 27.6 483.7 1,839.3 272.4 2,111.7
1998 263.0 163.8 478.5 139.2 312.4 26.6 494.6 1,877.9 273.2 2,151.1
1999 275.9 153.3 448.8 126.3 306.6 26.6 504.6 1,842.2 277.3 2,119.4
2000 248.5 136.3 413.6 115.0 296.9 27.9 476.7 1,714.8 335.7 2,050.6
2001 261.7 144.9 406.2 106.7 294.2 23.2 466.0 1,702.9 298.0 2,000.9
2002 270.2 142.2 410.8 20.9 327.1 70.8 445.7 1 687.7 250.1 1 937.8
2003 239.7 143.4 420.3 21.2 322.5 69.7 429.2 1 645.9 234.7 1 880.6
2004 247.2 143.0 352.2 22.3 312.4 86.5 481.4 1 645.0 251.4 1 896.3
2005 239.2 149.1 415.8 22.3 318.8 95.0 482.6 1 722.8 254.7 1 977.5
2006 227.2 144.1 424.0 21.7 337.9 61.7 478.4 1 695.0 241.5 1 936.4
2007 222.7 153.4 455.4 25.7 368.0 62.1 544.5 1 831.8 241.9 2 073.8
2008 228.4 151.7 485.6 21.8 373.4 78.2 518.6 1 857.7 214.7 2 072.4
2009 239.5 148.5 497.1 16.4 363.1 73.3 469.7 1 807.5 204.1 2 011.5
2010 241.9 140.0 436.3 18.2 400.3 103.8 507.3 1 847.7 228.1 2 075.9
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crop dusting is a dead industry.
farmers now have computer controlled boom mounted microsprays that do a better job.
the latest have video camera control that reduce fertiliser application in the greener areas of a paddock.
crop dusting is an approach to the application of materials to paddocks that has largely been replaced by technology.
I dont think the figures reflecting the decline in activity too difficult to believe.
farmers now have computer controlled boom mounted microsprays that do a better job.
the latest have video camera control that reduce fertiliser application in the greener areas of a paddock.
crop dusting is an approach to the application of materials to paddocks that has largely been replaced by technology.
I dont think the figures reflecting the decline in activity too difficult to believe.
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cost of privatisation a contributor?
At an airport that lots of pollies fly into (and out of), about 10 or so years ago there used to be 6 or 7 companies / clubs offering flying lessons. There are now none - in a city of 350,000. Makes it just that bit more difficult to even get started.
At an airport that lots of pollies fly into (and out of), about 10 or so years ago there used to be 6 or 7 companies / clubs offering flying lessons. There are now none - in a city of 350,000. Makes it just that bit more difficult to even get started.
It started as a satellite base of Goulburn Aviation but they do considerably more training in Canberra due to the ridiculous costs and lack of facilities at Goulburn Airport.
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costs
Yes our club archer is $180 p/h
So i went out and bought an IFR Cherokee with 1300 hours to run on engine for $50K and fly for $100 per hour
No provision for engine it will still be running or at worse on condition in 2016 when Im grounded (Im 67 +)
So go buy or wet hire
So i went out and bought an IFR Cherokee with 1300 hours to run on engine for $50K and fly for $100 per hour
No provision for engine it will still be running or at worse on condition in 2016 when Im grounded (Im 67 +)
So go buy or wet hire
Meanwhile over in Blighty here general aviation is being killed by the change of rules caused by the European Aviation Safety Administration!
Reams of bureaucratic nonsense and increased costs - many still flying clubs will stop training - very sad with the loss of a lot of experienced hands.
Reams of bureaucratic nonsense and increased costs - many still flying clubs will stop training - very sad with the loss of a lot of experienced hands.
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general aviation is being killed by the change of rules caused by the European Aviation Safety Administration!
