Stating POB on first contact with tower at a military aerodrome?
The same Mature Gentleman came into the FSU one day, hauled himself up onto the stool at the briefing counter, tipped back his 'Very' well worn bush hat, smiled his very best smile, and delivered the news......
"Well, He He, I've got some good news, and some BAD news for youse Fellas,
He He.....
The good news is that I celebrated me 82nd birthday yesterday.....
The BAD news for youse (sic) is that 'they've renewed me licence for another year'......
And again, as he taxied out...
"2 on board, me 'n me dog"...
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"Well, He He, I've got some good news, and some BAD news for youse Fellas,
He He.....
The good news is that I celebrated me 82nd birthday yesterday.....
The BAD news for youse (sic) is that 'they've renewed me licence for another year'......
And again, as he taxied out...
"2 on board, me 'n me dog"...
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Ascend Charlie said: Flying the Polair machine into RAAF Richmond many years ago after winching a dog handler and his mate off a cliff, I was asked for my POB.
I repled "Three pee oh bee and one dee oh gee." She didn't reply straight away, but then got the idea....
I had a rough running engine flying south from Tennant Creek to the Alice and called up Melbourne Centre to tell them. I had my dear old Kelpie in the back seat (yes, I have a CASA permit to fly for her) but she's not much use with an engine failure.
The female operator asked how many pob and I replied "one person one dog".
She queried:"is that 2 pob?"
"No. One person one dog".
Loud shriek...."Is the dog alright?"
Kaz
I repled "Three pee oh bee and one dee oh gee." She didn't reply straight away, but then got the idea....
I had a rough running engine flying south from Tennant Creek to the Alice and called up Melbourne Centre to tell them. I had my dear old Kelpie in the back seat (yes, I have a CASA permit to fly for her) but she's not much use with an engine failure.
The female operator asked how many pob and I replied "one person one dog".
She queried:"is that 2 pob?"
"No. One person one dog".
Loud shriek...."Is the dog alright?"
Kaz
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Was told it is so they know how many bodies to look for if you crash. Some military fields calculate landing fees including a factor based on POB so that would be another reason.
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parabellum says: ...Some military fields calculate landing fees including a factor based on POB so that would be another reason.
The military themselves do NOT charge landing/ATS fees. They don't even charge you extra if you want to shoot an ILS at one of their aerodromes. That is why many civil flying schools etc like travelling to Richmond or (not for much longer) Oakey for example to conduct a practice ILS etc as they don't have to pay for it, only the terminal fees etc at their departure aerodrome and/or for the AsA controlled segments of the flight. The ADF do it all for 'free' (to the flying customer that is, however we all pay for it in some way if you pay tax!). The landing charges for the joint user aerodromes are charged by the civil area of the aerodrome for upkeep of the civil terminal/provision of safety officers (if AsA safety officer) and any other civil support networks at the aerodrome for example the AsA fire services at Townsville. These are charged by AsA etc, not the ADF.
The POB is basically to know how many fire trucks/ambulances/emergency level (1, 2 or 3 which is all based on POB) to declare in the case of an accident. Plus it also allows the emergency services to know exactly how many people they have to look for.
The military themselves do NOT charge landing/ATS fees. They don't even charge you extra if you want to shoot an ILS at one of their aerodromes. That is why many civil flying schools etc like travelling to Richmond or (not for much longer) Oakey for example to conduct a practice ILS etc as they don't have to pay for it, only the terminal fees etc at their departure aerodrome and/or for the AsA controlled segments of the flight. The ADF do it all for 'free' (to the flying customer that is, however we all pay for it in some way if you pay tax!). The landing charges for the joint user aerodromes are charged by the civil area of the aerodrome for upkeep of the civil terminal/provision of safety officers (if AsA safety officer) and any other civil support networks at the aerodrome for example the AsA fire services at Townsville. These are charged by AsA etc, not the ADF.
The POB is basically to know how many fire trucks/ambulances/emergency level (1, 2 or 3 which is all based on POB) to declare in the case of an accident. Plus it also allows the emergency services to know exactly how many people they have to look for.
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The POB figure helps ensure that rescuers go looking for you amongst the trees 100m from the aeroplane if you go in. It's not uncommon for crash victims (including survivors, who die later) to be missed during a rescue, either because they were buried amongst the wreckage or they were thrown great distances from the aircraft when it hit.
There's also been cases where an entire aircraft has initially not been noticed in a prang, such as when that 737 landed on top of a Metro as it was lining up on the runway at LAX some years ago. Nobody knew the Metro was involved until firefighters found a propellor amongst the "737" wreckage
There's also been cases where an entire aircraft has initially not been noticed in a prang, such as when that 737 landed on top of a Metro as it was lining up on the runway at LAX some years ago. Nobody knew the Metro was involved until firefighters found a propellor amongst the "737" wreckage
I flew into an Asian airport yesterday with military controllers, and was told to check "wheels down and locked" when given landing clearance. Do the military in Australia still do that ?
