Stating POB on first contact with tower at a military aerodrome?
 

I've heard many times that you need to state the POB when contacting tower going into a military aerodrome.

Does this rule exist? Can anyone give me a reference?

Mandatory in India and most of Africa...

Common practice in Germany.

Also New Zealand - not long ago heard a USAF C130 give POB to Ohakea
Tower. It is compulsory in NZ for all aircraft to give POB to ATC on first contact .

I think he is asking for a reference here in oz. like what happens if ya say "mind your own business".

I've always wondered what to say when carrying corpses..... My favourites are hearing rfds adding to theirs though....

It seems to make sense that you are about to enter a military facility and therefore they want to know how many visitors they are about to receive.

There is therefore unlikely not a civil rule for this. Their airport, their rules!

"10 POB, 8 souls"

RFS need to know how many were alive when you arrived.

Mail-man,

I believe the correct terminology is Natural History Specimens.

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Flying the Polair machine into RAAF Richmond many years ago after winching a dog handler and his mate off a cliff, I was asked for my POB.

I repled "Three pee oh bee and one dee oh gee." She didn't reply straight away, but then got the idea.

I once got "POB 2, one alpha, one delta".

Least favourite is RFDS downgrading priority mid-flight.

POB
 

If i remember the story correctly, the reason its required in nz is an aircraft went into the drink at Auckland international. They sent the hover craft or what ever they were using out but left some people behind. After that it was required to tell ATC POB

Try AIP ENR 1.10 3.5 POB

I think the point the original poster is making, is why does say for example, Townsville Approach require you to tell then your POB, when you told Brisbane Ground 2hrs ago your POB on taxi?

morno

I've always wondered what to say when carrying corpses (to quote Mail-Man)

I used to be a S61 pilot in the RMAF. When we're flying human remains, we'd normally call, POB XX + 1 (1 being the human remains).

explanation I've received and overheard from DN/TN is that they don't receive all the flight details from airservices. Hence they know basics, ARR/DEP etc but no POB

Daqqy152 is correct. I think it was the f27 accident. 2 crew and also 2 company employees. As it was a ferry flight there was no record of the passengers so no one knew to rescue them. From memory they both died. Crew lived.

Sorry morno, re read the orginal post.
The two ATC systems (ADATS and TAAATS) don't talk very well to each other. Using your example, when you taxi at Brisbane your POB is entered into an electronic flight data record. The Air Services (TAAATS) electronic FDR cannot be seen by Townsville Approach, so they'lll ask you for your POB once your transfered to them. Thats then passed to TWR. Thats the same for all MIL TCU's (Pearce may be an exception as they use TAATS). When both ATS providers are all using the same system down the track one day this will probably become a thing of the past.

Best reply is;

"Request POB"
"Standby, I check"
A few seconds later
"One POB"

You're a 'Bad Man' no.6......

Luv it...:ok::ok:

Those of us who read this & who remember a Grand Old Gentleman who would taxi out at KG with
"2 POB, me and me dog"....

Good Ole Days....:D