ASIC – what measurable safety benefit?

[Arnold E]

Well, I dont know about you, but I have NEVER been asked for my ASIC despite wandering around the tarmac of an international airport. The trick is to wear the cloak of invisibility ( IE, high vis vest ) and no-one will bother you. Save your money.

[Wally Mk2]

'AE' I get asked for my ASIC every time I go thru the goons security screening, without it you simply don't get to yr A/C so I'd be interested to know how you get thru the screening without it so I to can short circuit the utterly stupid system!.


Wmk2

[VH-XXX]

Things are a tad slacker over in SA Wally.

[joe_bloggs]

Absolute bloody joke

I work for an EMS outfit.

Landed at a regional airport recently and re fueled on the apron.
Was granted access to the terminal from airside by the refueller.

When we were ready to leave the refueller was busy so asked "security" to be let out through the gate.

Only if you queue up with the passengers and go through screening.

So I grabbed my crew, did an about face and walked straight out of the terminal.
Walked another 50 metres to where the fence actually stopped where it met the road, stepped around it onto the apron.

Absolute bloody joke!

[Arnold E]

so I'd be interested to know how you get thru the screening without it

Through a hangar usually.

[YPJT]

Bloggsie,
check ya PMs. That situation shouldn't have occurred.

[OZBUSDRIVER]

Nothing has changed as to the attitude to or the need to carrying an ASIC. I remember asking a question regarding ASICs years ago. Back then site specific and only a need for airline crew and specific tarmac personnel. How things change! Horse bolting and all that...if ASIC was a requirement in the US prior to the event...it would not have mattered a fig. Each person would have still had a legitimate reason to be in the US to learn to fly. What made these creeps stand out was their training standard and odd questions...all reported and duly ignored!

Dick, if you want to make a noise, get in the ear of the AG. Not only are we treated as guilty to proven innocent but we have to pay for the privilege ad infinitum! Francis, a proforma will not work. You need to get a sheet at every office of every aeroclub or flying school petitioning the government EXACTLY what you want changed or rescinded. Hand written names and addresses with absolutely no repeats. Then, we get the minister to read our petition in the house on a Tuesday morning when parliament sits...and that will be where the matter ends.

I fear the only way is to get in a politician's ear or enough of them,or, the Attorney General to convince them there only ever needs to be one entry into a database. If there is ever a change in status then...tea and bickies with the Fed Police or someone who prefers more clandestine disappearing acts. Other than that, a once only application and issue of a aircrew only ID and have ASIC revert back to what it was originally intended...site specific identification.

[Frank Arouet]

OK that's probably a start, but there are, (I heard the other day), only 18,000 active pilots in Australia, max 25,000 going by a mates ARN and interpolating.

Creampuff reckons it's a waste of time appealing to them. And he's not wrong, just ask him. (He's only wrong sometimes).

There are 20+ million people in Australia, half of them vote, and up to that 20+million can and do fly the airlines. Some are a bit scared at the best of time.

Now I have been told if you make them more afraid to fly you will be arrested as a terrorist. I can image this happening if I hand out pamphlets at Mascot or Tullamarine. (and me without an ASIC and all that).

Alerting them would definitely be a waste because being more afraid would make them approve of the ASIC.

It would be nice to get all them on side a bit more though.

[Capt Fathom]

'AE' I get asked for my ASIC every time I go thru the goons security screening

Why do you need an ASIC to go through the screening point.

Passengers don't need an ASIC to go through!

[Creampuff]

Creampuff reckons it's a waste of time appealing to them. …

Not quite what I said.

It’s a waste of time appealing to people who don’t care that you’re inconvenienced and have to spend money on a ‘security’ system that’s merely a faηade to make punters ‘feel’ safe.

The glimmer of hope is the non-major party aligned Senators. Explain to them how stooopid the ASIC system is, and there is a slight chance of getting it changed. Same with anything else relating to aviation regulation and accident investigation.

[Wally Mk2]

"CF" pax have a boarding pass to access the goons security farce, drivers need an ASIC as anyone can dress as a monkey & get thru.
I'm not sure how you get thru without a boarding pass or ASIC but feel free to let me know as I'd love to sail thru there rather than being almost naked!


Wmk2

[Peter Hugh Pigott]

ASIC

security checks should be made when we get our licence and at renewal that should be sufficient .ASIC cards are an expensive waste of money and time we should get rid of them.Pete P

[Frank Arouet]

Australians should be exempt from security checks. There are enough checks and balances in everyday life to pick out the loony's and psychologically challenged. Flying schools should vet students before first solo. As should DAME's.

A clean record should be enough to assume the person be given the right to exercise the privilege's of his licence.

Hitler never charged for identity cards, Mao never charged for identity cards, Stalin never charged for identity cards, and Mugabe never charged for identity cards. (he makes police out of the failures and pays them).

We have Aliens from war torn Country's who know no better than the rule of the gun, checking Australians at airports and taking their toothpaste from them. Some of these fit a particular profile.

The whole concept of a card preventing terrorism is flawed.

The whole concept of taxing pilots to prevent terrorists is flawed.

The whole concept of regional airport security fencing is generally flawed.

The concept of "profiling" is not flawed, but is politically incorrect.

Ameliorating the existing arrangements is like being shot in the head with a .22 and not a .308. You're still dead.

[kaz3g]

Q: What are the security requirements?

You need a valid ASIC if you require frequent access to a secure area of a security controlled airport that has Regular Public Transport (RPT) operations. This is a requirement of the Aviation Security Regulations 2005.

If you want to use your CASA issued flight crew licence and you do not require frequent access to a secure area of a security controlled airport that has RPT operations, you must apply for a background security check and you will be issued with an AVID provided your checks are successful. This does not apply if you are under 18.

[kaz3g]

Just setting the record straight for those that want to blame Labor and Gillard for this debacle... Prime Minister Howard was defeated in November 2007, and the Regulations introducing the ASIC were promulgated in 2005.

It was Howard who was so affected by the World Trade Twin Towers and it was Anderson who was the responsible Minister (the same guy who gave our airports away under shonky leases).

Kaz

[Tinstaafl]

How can anyone question the safety benefit of ASICs/AVIDs? There haven't been any terrorist attacks in Oz on aircraft since they were introduced. Not only that but they must also be responsible for the lack of rampaging elephant attacks, nuclear missile explosions, and Earth killer asteroids because there haven't been any of those since the card's introduction.

[Ushuaia]

Wally Mk2: you're confusing security screening points with boarding gates. People going through screening points are simply being checked for prohibited items prior to entering the security-screened area, which includes the part of the terminal between the screening point and the boarding gate. They are not being checked for entitlement/authority to actually board the aircraft. That happens at the actual boarding gate: a check of a boarding pass or an ASIC/company ID. Beyond THAT point staff need the ASIC.

So no, you do not actually have have your ASIC on as you go through a security screening point. That may be contrary to how some security staff act. I recall there is something in the regs that refers to this, or alleviates this, or something - it's such a non-issue, really, that I'm not going to check up on it.

[Frank Arouet]

You need a valid ASIC if you require frequent access to a secure area of a security controlled airport that has Regular Public Transport (RPT) operations.

And that secure area can be outlined with a tin of paint and minimal fencing. The rest of the airport need not be ALL secure area. This was the concept as touted by DOTARS initially, but as usual was corrupted by cash handouts to Local Government.

BTW, it was Anderson who didn't want anybody in the air while his bum was there and he was the architect of the embryo that developed into the debacle that we see today.

[Old Akro]

You need a valid ASIC if you require frequent access to a secure area of a security controlled airport that has Regular Public Transport (RPT) operations.

All the airports I go to that HAD the blue line now require an ASIC for access to any part of the tarmac. Mildura & Moorabbin are prime examples.

The really funny thing is that if you go to a primary airport, the ASIC isn't worth anything since you have to be escorted by a security person anyway.

So, its worthless for what it was intended and required where it wasn't intended.

[Old Akro]

PS the only real value an ASIC has is to get a discount at duty free when I leave Australia ass a passenger.