Light Aircraft down Hamilton Vic
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Hi All. Just heard from a friend in Hamilton that a light plane went down there this evening. Hope all are ok! Anyone know anymore?
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One confirmed dead. Really saddening to hear that a fellow aviator has lost his/her life.
RIP!
One confirmed dead. Really saddening to hear that a fellow aviator has lost his/her life.
RIP!
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One dead in Hamilton plane crash | The Standard
Indeed a sharp guy by the looks. Very sad, thoughts are with his family and the sharp community.
Indeed a sharp guy by the looks. Very sad, thoughts are with his family and the sharp community.
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The ABC reports thus:
Originally Posted by ABC News website
Trainee Pilot killed in night training crash at Hamilton Airport.
Police and air safety authorities are investigating the site of a fatal light plane crash in south-western Victoria last night.
A 20-year-old trainee pilot from New South Wales died when the single-engine Cessna 182 crashed into a paddock six kilometres north of the Hamilton Airport around 8:00pm (AEST).
The plane burst into flames upon impact.
Police say witnesses, including some other student pilots, are helping them with their inquiries.
Malcolm Sharp from Sharp Airlines says the pilot was conducting a training exercise.
"The student pilot was undertaking solo circuits to gain experience towards commercial licence," Mr Sharp said.
"It's a tragic accident and it will be fully investigated by the Australian Transport Safety Board (ATSB) and CASA.
"We extend our deepest sympathy to the family of the young pilot for their loss."
Mr Sharp says the young man was very well liked in the local Hamilton community.
Neville Blyth from the ATSB says investigators will look at a range of factors to find the cause of the crash
"Any ground marks or impact marks the aircraft might have made, the condition of the wreckage, flight controls, anything like that that might indicate why the pilot had difficulties that he did," he said.
He says the weather was fairly good at the time and there are no indications it contributed to the crash.
"We'll be gathering maintenance records, speaking to any witnesses that may have observed the flight or the accident itself," he said.
"Just basically gathering the facts so that we can start an investigation into this tragic accident.".
Police and air safety authorities are investigating the site of a fatal light plane crash in south-western Victoria last night.
A 20-year-old trainee pilot from New South Wales died when the single-engine Cessna 182 crashed into a paddock six kilometres north of the Hamilton Airport around 8:00pm (AEST).
The plane burst into flames upon impact.
Police say witnesses, including some other student pilots, are helping them with their inquiries.
Malcolm Sharp from Sharp Airlines says the pilot was conducting a training exercise.
"The student pilot was undertaking solo circuits to gain experience towards commercial licence," Mr Sharp said.
"It's a tragic accident and it will be fully investigated by the Australian Transport Safety Board (ATSB) and CASA.
"We extend our deepest sympathy to the family of the young pilot for their loss."
Mr Sharp says the young man was very well liked in the local Hamilton community.
Neville Blyth from the ATSB says investigators will look at a range of factors to find the cause of the crash
"Any ground marks or impact marks the aircraft might have made, the condition of the wreckage, flight controls, anything like that that might indicate why the pilot had difficulties that he did," he said.
He says the weather was fairly good at the time and there are no indications it contributed to the crash.
"We'll be gathering maintenance records, speaking to any witnesses that may have observed the flight or the accident itself," he said.
"Just basically gathering the facts so that we can start an investigation into this tragic accident.".
Last edited by Capt Claret; 23rd Sep 2013 at 22:42.
When you live....
6km north of Hamilton - isn't there a patch of granite that sticks up about that far north of the airport? Not a mountain or anything but still an outcrop?
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One newspaper was reporting the crash occurred about 6km north of the airport. Does not sound like a circuit exercise
rip to the young bloke.
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just completed NVFR with my partner recently, we didnt have any moonlight for any flight or navs. quite the learning experience. and can understand just how easily you can get disorientated and lost so close to your home airfield.
sad news indeed.
sad news indeed.
RIP young aviator.
IF -and I say IF - its proved to be somatogravic or other illusion, the ATSB and CASA have blood on their hands.
There have been several NVFR disorientation accidents in the last couple of years, and I have not seen one bit of preventative safety related information about it.
What is needed is a series of books complied of all the accident reports. One volume should have all the disorientation accidents. Another all the CFIT accidents. Another Cowboy accidents. etc. if they are left on a flyin school coffee table, they might just save a life.
IF -and I say IF - its proved to be somatogravic or other illusion, the ATSB and CASA have blood on their hands.
There have been several NVFR disorientation accidents in the last couple of years, and I have not seen one bit of preventative safety related information about it.
What is needed is a series of books complied of all the accident reports. One volume should have all the disorientation accidents. Another all the CFIT accidents. Another Cowboy accidents. etc. if they are left on a flyin school coffee table, they might just save a life.
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Indeed a very sad event.
It would be nice to know that this young aviators tragic end to his life doesn't go in vain & perhaps we can have a better/safer way of getting this at best bloody dangerous flying regime looked at closely to even slightly reduce the chances of this happening again.
I recall doing my class 4 rating NVMC many moons ago & knowing what I know now after many 1000's of hrs flying blind it was/is damned risky!
It's an instrument rating always has been & at times harder than flying in the clouds 'cause at least you know yr IMC & that's that you fly 100% on the dials, with Ngt VFR there's always a bit of outside info & a bit of instrument info being fed to our own CPU (brain) & we are fallible creatures prone to making errors big time with at times conflicting illusions.
I've had a couple of very nasty illusion type of events over the years just after T/off (Sth of PID over the water just after lift off is a classic 'sink' feeling) & that shook me up & I had a few 1000 hrs under my belt!
Another of our brethren leaves us way too early, lets be just that little be sharper when we are out there under similar conditions.
Thoughts are with the Sharp family of students & employees as they are the ones left behind (apart from the family whom I can't imagine what they are going thru now) whom have to try & understand this & deal with it.
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It would be nice to know that this young aviators tragic end to his life doesn't go in vain & perhaps we can have a better/safer way of getting this at best bloody dangerous flying regime looked at closely to even slightly reduce the chances of this happening again.
I recall doing my class 4 rating NVMC many moons ago & knowing what I know now after many 1000's of hrs flying blind it was/is damned risky!
It's an instrument rating always has been & at times harder than flying in the clouds 'cause at least you know yr IMC & that's that you fly 100% on the dials, with Ngt VFR there's always a bit of outside info & a bit of instrument info being fed to our own CPU (brain) & we are fallible creatures prone to making errors big time with at times conflicting illusions.
I've had a couple of very nasty illusion type of events over the years just after T/off (Sth of PID over the water just after lift off is a classic 'sink' feeling) & that shook me up & I had a few 1000 hrs under my belt!
Another of our brethren leaves us way too early, lets be just that little be sharper when we are out there under similar conditions.
Thoughts are with the Sharp family of students & employees as they are the ones left behind (apart from the family whom I can't imagine what they are going thru now) whom have to try & understand this & deal with it.
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The entire NVFR rating needs to get the ass in my books.
Being aware of the risks and having appropriate training is more the answer, rather than just scrapping it entirely. I agree that the rating requirements could be better and are probably in need of an overhaul.
I won't speculate on this current incident. Still a shame though.
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Compressor Stall, the only article / advisory I can think of in recent years was about flying helis at night after the spate of losses in particular up north including rescue helis. As you say there doesn't appear to be anything that springs to mind for our end of the spectrum from CASA or ATSB,
however I have been known to miss things.
7 news just showed the wreckage, as good as 90% burnt out, within a km of the runway about 20 metres from a power pole with no visible skid marks or evidence of the approach to the final resting place.
however I have been known to miss things.
7 news just showed the wreckage, as good as 90% burnt out, within a km of the runway about 20 metres from a power pole with no visible skid marks or evidence of the approach to the final resting place.
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The entire NVFR rating needs to get the ass in my books.
VFR Day
VFR Night
IFR Day
IFR Night
All have their inherent differences and challenges. If you get some good training, stick to the rules and use a bit of basic risk assessment and management, you should be OK!
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Could you please lock this thread.
A family has lost a son, we have lost a fellow aviator, debate on probable cause doesn't help ( remember the press has open access to this site ).
Once the ATSB has reported , exchange on this thread would be worthwhile.
Could you please lock this thread.
A family has lost a son, we have lost a fellow aviator, debate on probable cause doesn't help ( remember the press has open access to this site ).
Once the ATSB has reported , exchange on this thread would be worthwhile.
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Last year there were 6 people I knew well killed in 3 separate accidents, and the big one was very close to home, the DH Dragon. At no time did I feel that any thread should be closed, despite far more speculative discussion than this thread.
A few years back, there was a Air North Brasiliia that crashed in Darwin, the C&T Captain who in my opinion let that situation get away from him was even closer to me. This was discussed at length on here. This guy was as close to family without actually being my brother, if that makes sense. Again I did not see the need to close the thread.
The benefits of robust discussion and sharing knowledge and experience is a greater good than the concept of closing threads. If I ever spear in, I want all the robust discussion so that some youngster reading it might learn by it.
Just my $0.02 worth of opposing view. YMMV.
PS....Once the ATSB report is released, it is unlikely there will be much discussion, as history has shown.
Last year there were 6 people I knew well killed in 3 separate accidents, and the big one was very close to home, the DH Dragon. At no time did I feel that any thread should be closed, despite far more speculative discussion than this thread.
A few years back, there was a Air North Brasiliia that crashed in Darwin, the C&T Captain who in my opinion let that situation get away from him was even closer to me. This was discussed at length on here. This guy was as close to family without actually being my brother, if that makes sense. Again I did not see the need to close the thread.
The benefits of robust discussion and sharing knowledge and experience is a greater good than the concept of closing threads. If I ever spear in, I want all the robust discussion so that some youngster reading it might learn by it.
Just my $0.02 worth of opposing view. YMMV.
PS....Once the ATSB report is released, it is unlikely there will be much discussion, as history has shown.
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no one is pushing their idea as fact, been disparaging of, or besmirching the character of the deceased.
i see no harm done.
some would argue whatever the atsb puts out is speculation only slightly more informed
i see no harm done.
some would argue whatever the atsb puts out is speculation only slightly more informed
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The ATSB will be around two years and there is little chance of a valid explanation, usually just a couple of suggestions with little evidence. Now is the time to discuss, not in two years, especially if someone here learns from it. Nothing has been said here that could be used against the pilot, fellow pilots or the industry.