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Old 10th March 2025 | 05:46
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Don’t get too sold on that Qantas logo in front of the academy logo. It’s a profit centre don’t forget, they will continue to push students through meanwhile the hold file acceptance rate will always fluctuate over time, could be periods in which nobody gets a look in. Have a plan for after the academy if you don’t make the hold file. It’s a bit risky if you ask me, and I’d be looking at other opportunities.

That’s if one even gets in. I’d imagine it would be super competitive.

Military would also enable one in the 30s later on when looking at moving on, to then secure employment potentially directly with mainline or Virgin. It’s no trade secret in this industry, in that the best way into mainline is by having never been on the group payroll previously.
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Old 12th March 2025 | 03:45
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Only join the military if you have looked into that form of lifestyle, it's not for everyone. Some enjoy it, and many wash out and start over in civilian aviation or other occupations. Apart from the considerations above about return of service, and the fact you are actual a volunteer in the Australian defense force (which means you have obligations to go to war, serve anywhere here or abroad, etc...), there is also not a lot of flying to be done, so your experience/hours do not build up rapidly. I agree the training is top notch, but the selection process is also aimed at only taking those that will achieve a high standard, and they don't mess around if you don't perform to their standard. Worldwide there is also a move away from employing ex military pilots, some countries carriers will not hire ex-military due to issues in multi-crew environments where chain of command is not strict, in fact it's promoted to be shared between pilots so that all crew can voice concerns. Ex-military have had many accidents where a high time ex airforce pilot has been overbearing to low timers and cadets, which leads to them shutting up and not questioning actions when they should.

University courses are mostly a scam, they offer very little in the way of training to be a successful airline pilot, which is why airlines do not care for them. In the US they have artificially made laws that encourage going through colleges, not necessarily degree courses, but tailored, integrated flying schedules that should (not always) result in better training outcomes. All the college courses there offer is a reduction in the hours required for an ATP, therefore faster access to the airlines by say a few months to a year depending on how many hours your first jobs earn you. In Australia the Uni course baits you with subsidized flying, through VET or whatever the flavor of the month is, reality is it's juts a loan you have to pay back like any other, even if you don't finish the course.

If you want a cadet program, do your research. Rex cadetship would be good, however it's all in administration and you have a good chance of losing a lot of money if it does finally get wound up. QF cadetships, are barely that, they are just Unicourse scams or branded courses that train you to the same standard as anyone else spit you out, and then you find your own job. If you are lucky you get an interview offer in a few years, or some contacts where to get that first job. Most likely it will involved being an underpaid junior instructor at the same college you learned at. Sharps probably offers the best option right now, (depending on price that is) if the cadetship still gives you a year or two of flying on completion you will be a few hundred hours better off than a bare commercial newbie.

Good luck, and do your homework...
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Old 1st April 2025 | 06:49
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Best Path to Becoming a Pilot in 2025 and Beyond as a New Zealander

Best Path to Becoming a Pilot in 2025 and Beyond as a New Zealander

Hi, I’m a college student living in New Zealand and want to become a pilot. I’m eligible for Australian citizenship in the next 4 years. I’ve heard that Australia has a bigger aviation market than New Zealand, with higher wages and better working conditions for pilots.

I understand that life doesn’t always go according to plan, so instead of planning everything in detail, I prefer to look in a direction and take steps toward it, even if I don’t know exactly where I’ll end up. I want to choose a career that lets me fly a large jet aircraft (Boeing 737, 787, 777) as soon as possible. Given this, which country and career path should I pursue?

Option 1: Start in New Zealand
- 1-1: Train at a flight school in New Zealand, accumulate 500 hours flying turboprops, and follow the RPPP (Regional Pilot Pathway Program) to transition to jet flying.
- 1-2: Accumulate 1500 hours in General Aviation (GA) and then transition to a First Officer (FO) role at Air New Zealand.

Option 2: Move to Australia
- 2-1: Attend flight school in Australia, accumulate 500 hours flying a turboprop at QantasLink, and transition to jet flying.
- 2-2: Accumulate 1500 hours as a Flight Instructor (FI) or through GA, but uncertain of the next steps after that.

Option 3: Obtain ATPL in Australia and Move to the US (E-3 Visa Uncertainty)
- 3: Complete ATPL training and accumulate 1500 hours in Australia, acquire Australian citizenship, and pursue options to move to the US — potentially using an E-3 visa if eligible (though this isn’t guaranteed and depends on specific conditions).

My Situation
I have no legal, financial, or age-related restrictions preventing me from moving to the United States. I’m young and can acquire Australian citizenship while attending flight school in Australia, making me eligible for the E-3 visa to fly jets in the US after completing the required 1500 flight hours. However, **it’s uncertain if I’ll be able to secure an E-3 visa**, as this depends on the availability of the visa and meeting specific criteria.

I would really like to get a advance
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Old 1st April 2025 | 07:00
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ATPL Exams in review.

This will be my first PPRUNE post, and I’m mostly writing it as a thanks to all the content I read which helped my get through ATPL exams, also as an updated reference for all those sitting post 2025.


Firstly, these exams - like many parts of aviation - are expensive, time consuming and not much fun. The only way to get past them is to enjoy the struggle, close your eyes to your bank account, and accept that if flying was easy - everyone would be doing it. In a way, I see these exams as more of a test of your character than anything else.

There aren’t too many sources of ATPL theory, the two main providers at the moment seem to be Brady Phillips of Aviation Theory Services (ATS) and Nathan Higgins of Advanced Flight Theory (AFT).

I used the ATS courses, and for the most part found them really good. You get access to an online website with probably 20-50, 5-10 min videos of Brady explaining topics. Then he also sends you a textbook in the mail with express shipping which for me rocked up remarkably quickly. You also get access to 4 or 5 pdf document practice exams which are extremely valuable. I highly recommend ATS - Brady's content became by prime theory source.

I can’t speak for AFT theory, I used their Cyber exams for some subjects. They cost like $300 per subject and you only get access to 4 exams that you can’t even resit - but at least they’re online and are pretty similar to the real thing.

Also to note. As a CPL student my method for studying, was pretty much read the Aviation Theory Centre textbook, smash as many Pilot Practice Exams I could - till I got 100% in everything then hope for the best. This won’t work for the ATPL exams. You should still purchase PPE I think, mainly just because its practically “free” in the scheme of things, but keep in mind the questions are significantly less helpful, and often flat out wrong, in comparison to their CPL counterpart.



Human Factors - First attempt 15/4/2024, Passed 30/7/2024

Human Factors was my first ATPL exam, I thought HUF would be easy, as I found CPL HUF not too bad, but it actually ended up being the only exam I failed it twice. Passing it the third time at 93%. I entirely self studied for this exam - mostly through the CASA Human Factors Workbooks, but I also used Pilot Practice Exams. It is one of the more similar exams to its CPL counterpart, but you need to be able to walk into the exam being extremely confident in your knowledge of every MOS point. Before my third attempt I was able to recite to a camera, word for word, the entirety of resource book 8.



Aerodynamics and Systems - First attempt 16/8/2024, Passed 2/10/2024

Aero was a challenging but really interesting topic, I failed it once and after that decided it was time to quit my job and focus full time on these exams.

My advice with the systems side of it is to do as many different practice questions as humanly possible. I used all ATS exams till I could get 100% and bought the AFT Cyber exams as well. Even some PPE questions were ok. And the aviation theory centre book was pretty good for this subject also. Pretty much you just gotta spend some dollars unfortunately. Then for the aero side - you can’t beat just having a really good understanding of all the core concepts. - know exactly how an increase or decrease in temp, weight, speed - or anything else effects everything.



NAV, - First attempt 29/10/24, passed 2/11/24

Nav I think is a good one to get you prepped for the “calculation” based exams. It wasn’t tooo challenging. And contained a nice mix of both theory and calculation. I enjoyed my month of study I spent on Nav.

For this exam I entirely used ATS’s course and it was really good.



Flight Planning - First attempt 17/12/24, passed 4/02/25

Everything you’ve heard about Flight Planning is true, it is the essence of what the ATPL exams stand for, and is so comically horrendous it’s almost enjoyable. I attended Brady’s in-person course at Jandakot - and it was well worth it. One of the many things that make flight planning confusing is that everyone seems to do things differently. Each theory provider, and even CASA, use different methods of working things out - In my opinion Brady’s method makes the most sense but I may be biased. Pretty much, just good luck with this exam, you’ll routinely hear of people on their fifth attempt. Though I did manage to pass on my second. If ever there was an exam not to just sit and see how you go it's this one. I wouldn’t even begin to think about sitting it until you would feel confident giving a lecture on the topic to a room of students. You need to be able to do the working out of the question pretty much on autopilot, so you then have spare brain capacity to see if the question is trying to trick you in any way, and to catch your own mistakes. It’s definitely a time critical exam, I ran out of time on my first attempt by 2 or 3 questions. And thought how am I possibly ment to do it any quicker, but after another two months, and extra thousands of practice questions, it is possible. As I finished with 10 mins to spare attempt number two.



Performance - Passed 04/03/2025

After doing flight planning, performance feels like free marks. It was the first exam I managed to pass first go. It still is a challenging exam, with more time pressure than you might expect, but if you can get all the ‘flight planning’, law, and theory questions right, which are mostly pretty straightforward. Then you should be able to cop the greater gamble that are some of those performance chart & w&b questions. I got 90% with two KDR’s being a take off chart and a trim sheet.

And again I used the ATS course which was good.



Meteorology - Passed 17/3/2025

Met’s good, after getting this far I was on the home stretch. I just had to touch up on all my CPL Met knowledge, but luckily there's plenty of content out there for this subject. The ATS course was really good, but if you're looking at saving some dollars you could probably go without. I’d recommend being able to draw a picture of the globe with all the different wind systems and high and low pressure systems.
Also random tip, a pneumonic I came up with for when CAT in a jet stream will be most severe is:

Leg (Over Land)

Before (Below)

Wicket (in Winter)

Proper (Polar side)

Cricket (Curves)



Air Law - Passed 25/3/25

I sat and passed Law one week after passing Met, study consisted of ATS practice questions. Find the answer, highlight and repeat. Really by this point I was pretty familiar with aviation law. So if you’ve been in the industry for a while - hopefully the exam wont be to big of a surprise. Just go in and do your best.



In review these exams took me a year to complete ( 6 months of full time study) and probably north of $6000, going to theory providers, ASPEQ and charts.

The money hurts in comparison to CPL, but then again I spent that much in one hit on my MCC course and despite very well worth doing, I would’ve got less “value” out of that.



So best of luck everyone. You’ll get there!
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Old 5th April 2025 | 20:48
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want to choose a career that lets me fly a large jet aircraft (Boeing 737, 787, 777) as soon as possible.
My advice is don’t get too tied up to wanting to fly those toys ‘as soon as possible’.

Spend your 20s in GA and then whatever happens after that. Because that’s likely how it will pan out.

There has been considerable hiring in recent years, which is now slowing down due to training delays, so there will be a large buildup of experienced GA and turboprop drivers flooding into these jet jobs over the next 5 years. Your aim would be to replace those people.

Just don’t get tied up on wanting to fly 737s pronto. Well not here locally anyway.
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Old 14th April 2025 | 01:28
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Would the AAFC help on my resume for getting a job in aviation?

Hello, all! I have just joined the Australian Air Force Cadets, and was I have been really interested in getting a job in aviation for a while, specifically a job as a pilot. I was just wondering if the AAFC would help me get in and/or would it on my resume?
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Old 14th April 2025 | 03:35
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Originally Posted by Not_ap1lot
Hello, all! I have just joined the Australian Air Force Cadets, and was I have been really interested in getting a job in aviation for a while, specifically a job as a pilot. I was just wondering if the AAFC would help me get in and/or would it on my resume?
I would definitely put it on your resume especially if you are lacking in other relevant experiences. At some point in your career, it would probably drop off the bottom of the list.

Will it help you get a job… That may depend on the interviewer. As someone who is limited in but have done a few interviews, it wouldn’t impress me any more than someone who was part of say a Surf Life Saving club or can show any other form of commitment and discipline.

So yes it could well help, but for me not as directly as you may seem to think.
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Old 14th April 2025 | 03:45
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I was just wondering because of elementary flight school and all, thank you
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Old 14th April 2025 | 06:44
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Put it in when the time comes.

It tells the CP you actually love aviation as opposed to some kid that thought it was a good idea after year 12 and doesn’t like the hard work of GA.
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Old 14th April 2025 | 07:37
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I failed Biggin hill selection first time due to lack of knowledge of aircraft types and was told to join ATC and come back in a year. Resigned from Army cadets but some old retired engineer at ATC said I was too old - second attempt at Biggin hill having read everything available in civilian press was only asked why I hadn’t joined the ATC and basically called a liar.
Would have loved fast jets and had to make do with the glamour of airliners instead.
Currently advising my grand daughter - anything aviation minded helps.
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Old 14th April 2025 | 19:41
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Put it on your CV and also refer to the highest rank you achieved.

Quite a few AAFC staff and civilian instructors are active in the aviation industry.

If was hiring and received a CV with the AAFC mentioned, the applicant would be shortlisted for an interview provided they met the selection criteria.

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Old 15th April 2025 | 00:19
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It shows dedication, discipline, teamwork and commitment and for myself as an employer if I had two similar candidates the one who had done AAFC would have an edge.
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Old 15th April 2025 | 17:23
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A student looking for the ins and outs of Aviation.

Hi, everyone! I'm a student (recently graduated from HS), who's looking to get into the Aviation Industry, (as any naïve 18 year old kid does.) Although, I took a few moments to look through some of the old forums, and- I do have a few questions.
First, I've read a forum about the job industry in Australia- apparently, it's *hard* to get a job, unless you know the right people or have connections (which) I do not, or just get hired into Quantas. Is that still true, in 2025?
Second - I'm looking into a course, it's by the SFC. The Tamworth, 190k tuition that makes you apparently "Airline" worthy (but again, as I have seen on this forum), apparently it's just not worth all of that? I have applied to Quantas as well, but I know it's probably a bit stricter there.
I'd like some just, general advice, I guess! From people here. Any suggestions, some answers to my questions, etc etc.
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Old 15th April 2025 | 20:29
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These are questions better answered by people who are about 5 years ahead of you , i,e. someone who got their CPL say 2-4 years ago. Unfortunately this forum is populated mainly by retired old boomers, who like me, are clueless about the difficulties and issues facing a brand new CPL holder.

My two cents says get a trade (any trade) first and learn to fly first as a hobby and then later extend it to a CPL. It’s a much longer process for sure but at least you’ll always be employable. Unless of course you aspire to driving Ubers while waiting and hoping for that first flying job.

An interesting statistic would be the number of CPLs issued versus the number actually employed as pilots say in the past five years. As clueless as I am, I don’t think it’s a pretty ratio.
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Old 15th April 2025 | 20:37
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A student looking for the inns and outs of Aviation.

I thought this was about pubs!

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Old 15th April 2025 | 21:21
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I have some good advice for you. Forget aviation ... you cannot even spell QANTAS correctly !
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Old 16th April 2025 | 02:37
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I have some good advice for you. Forget aviation ... you cannot even spell QANTAS correctly !
There’s more than a few here who would say that the Flying Rat may not quite be the epitome of a flying career - thus the value of spelling it correctly is moot. Possibly because of some dark Freudian association, but I too have misspelled Air Koryo on a number of occasions.🤪
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Old 16th April 2025 | 03:56
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Originally Posted by sentience
Hi, everyone! I'm a student (recently graduated from HS), who's looking to get into the Aviation Industry, (as any naïve 18 year old kid does.) Although, I took a few moments to look through some of the old forums, and- I do have a few questions.
First, I've read a forum about the job industry in Australia- apparently, it's *hard* to get a job, unless you know the right people or have connections (which) I do not, or just get hired into Quantas. Is that still true, in 2025?
Second - I'm looking into a course, it's by the SFC. The Tamworth, 190k tuition that makes you apparently "Airline" worthy (but again, as I have seen on this forum), apparently it's just not worth all of that? I have applied to Quantas as well, but I know it's probably a bit stricter there.
I'd like some just, general advice, I guess! From people here. Any suggestions, some answers to my questions, etc etc.
Your excessive use of unnecessary and incorrect punctuation gave me an aneurysm.
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Old 19th April 2025 | 08:03
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Sitting AHUF soon, any practice exams close to the real thing? Been told AFT somewhat close. Any feeb back on PPE or ATS
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Old 19th April 2025 | 23:39
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Come down to the crisper in aisle 2 and ask there. A few licences there and Mr Spodman of these pages has done some research on the "locals" around the area prior to starting his ppl in the last 12 months.
crikey. An old thread, but has Spod gotten himself a licence? If anyone knows him ask h8m about the nipple pink painted bollards on the bridge in Launy . He will know what you mean

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