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Old 9th Mar 2016, 12:26
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Question Best Instrument Rating provider in Melbourne

Hello all,

As the title suggests, I'm looking to do an MEA Instrument Rating in Melbourne and am after advice as to the 'best' provider.

In particular, I'm looking for a really solid ground school foundation. I have passed my IREX, but want a thorough grounding in the practical aspects of instrument flying, e.g. calculating terrain clearance for OEI departures, etc.

Thanks for any and all advice.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 21:33
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Steve Pearce at Peter Bini Advanced Flight training. An old salt who has forgotten more about twin IFR than I will ever know.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 21:53
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The best school is the one that has the instructor that you get on well with. Do the leg work and meet some.

I would suggest that once you've ticked the IREX box, the best learning is in the air or by yourself developing wx forecast reading skills and becoming very, very familiar with the charts and the GPS you will fly. Practice with an online simulator.

Right now; I'd decide if you are going to go the AsA route or Jepp route and whether you will go paper or iPad. The training you do will entrench this choice. If you go iPad, then get sorted with battery backup, external bluetooth GPS unit, kneepad / holders, etc. Choose your program and become fluent with it. IMHO Avplan is a better IFR program than OZrunways, but I prefer Jepp charts, so I have Avplan for flight planning & Jeppview for flying procedures. There is no good reason for this. Its just what I like. In flight Jeppesen Flitedeck is best, but it needs a windows based tablet and it all becomes harder than iPads (I carry a dedicated mini plus my day to day big one as backup).

There are less school / instructor options now under the new part 61 licence rules. Some of the best guys have not bothered to maintain their test officer status and others have effectively "closed their books" and are not taking new students. Thanks CASA. Another step forward.

This is especially so if you need to hire a twin. If you don't have a twin endorsement or limited twin time, remember that the aircraft type you do the MECIR rating in will be the easiest aircraft type to hire / be insured in. Its best to do the training in an aircraft type you will fly.

In alphabetic order; start by visiting Bini, MFS & Vortex.
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Old 9th Mar 2016, 22:44
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best instrument provider in melbourne

speaking from my own training, Steve Pearce at Bini's, is the greatest. Kind person, exceptionally knowledgeable, still writes the ifr quiz questions for the Flight Safety Magazine (i think), and puts you at ease to learn. I remembered saying to him at my yearly renewals that its like seeing your annual dentist checkup, but I always came out without pain and smiling for another year.
Difficulty is he,s so booked up you may not be able to be instructed by him, probably by other instructors??
good luck
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Old 10th Mar 2016, 07:22
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Thanks so much for the quality responses.

I have a little single-engine IF experience from overseas, and can/could generally keep the aircraft the right way up. I also have a twin endorsement on a Duchess from what seems like a thousand years ago, not sure how much use that will be.

I am already equipped with iPad + OzRunways, so will probably just lazily continue with AsA unless there is a compelling reason to switch.

Old Akro, you mention the subsequent hiring of a twin. I hadn't actually thought that far ahead, but it is a great point. I had assumed all the available training aircraft would be much of a muchness; is there one that is safer, or faster, or cheaper.......or EASIER FOR THE TEST!?

Thanks again for the shared wisdom
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Old 10th Mar 2016, 08:00
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An aeroplane is an aeroplane. Its what you are familiar with. You'll find the schools will have Partenavia's, Travelairs or Seminole's as options.

Twin's are not all that easy to hire - especially with low twin time. Your options are likely to be either the school you use or Blue Demon. Thats why I suggest thinking about what aircraft you want to hire then using the MECIR training to build hours on type.
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Old 10th Mar 2016, 08:23
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Years ago, I did most of my training for the rating on an Aztruck and then switched to the Partenavia (can't quite recall what the reason was).

However, the Partenavia was a delight to handfly and a breeze to operate for the test.

The DCA examiner was well known to me and gave me a good working over - all good fun - I think the autopilot "failed" shortly after the first takeoff.

Suggest you do the rating test on the Partenavia and then worry about fancier machines in which the throttles have some relationship to the airspeed and the wheels go up and down.
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Old 10th Mar 2016, 09:54
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Partenavia-Italian for induction icing.

Aztec-love pumping them wheels up with an EFATO, unless it has dual hydraulic pumps.
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Old 10th Mar 2016, 11:51
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e.g. calculating terrain clearance for OEI departures, etc.
You need a specialist performance engineer in individual runway analysis chart design for that sort of stuff. You won't get that in general aviation as it is normally aircraft type specific and the analysis would need to cover each obstacle liable to encroach the planned flight path including curved departures if needed for terrain reasons.
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Old 10th Mar 2016, 19:40
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Steve Pearce, Bini's. A practical, no nonsense instructor.
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 08:05
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Post Indian pilot for jobs in australia/newzealand

My name is Ganesh and I'm an Indian citizen. I hold a FAA CPL with no work experience. I'm 32 yrs old and have done a lotta odd jobs in the meantime and would like to put my foot down and get into aviation. Eventually, I would like to migrate to australia/new Zealand.

If I studied instructor rating in either of the countries help me in getting a job as an instructor in a flying school? Or is there any other possibilities.
I appreciate any information that will help. Either post IR comments here or you could email me.

Thanks a ton.
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 13:51
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No chance.

If a labor government ever gets back into power, you'd have more chance arriving by boat and claiming asylum.
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 14:29
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So what happens to all of the Indian students that learn to fly in Australia? I'm assuming they don't stay and work in the industry?
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 16:46
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I am not sure how much it is to buy a job in Jetstar these days, but it has both NZ and Australian bases. Could well be worth a look.
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 18:49
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For NZ if you are not a citizen or PR then forget it. Being a pilot with out any major selling points will not get you a work permit here
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 18:58
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That's the rub- unfortunately your age puts you outside the working visa window, so the main trouble is gaining residency- as has been said, a simple CPL is not enough to gain entry as a skilled migrant.

Do you have any other qualifications?
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 23:22
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Originally Posted by tweetytheexcel View Post
I know of two full time oportunities in both countries that have been advertised by for over 6months and as yet unfilled. I also know of several other opportunities for hour building that are taken up by Europeans every year without visa's because Aussies just don't have the drive.
Tell that to the many newbie pilots looking for their first jobs in the hot and humid NT and WA.
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 03:30
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Really? And where is this magical place that Australian pilots are to lazy to work?
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 03:59
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Has anyone used Pinstripe Solutions lately for job preparation and interview/resume help? Ive seen a few posts about them but they are 4 years old. They look good to me but would love to hear any personal experiences with them (or other similar companies)
I've ised Pinstripe and she is great!
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Old 29th Mar 2016, 05:26
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CPL Aircraft & First Job Question

I know I'm starting to think about the first job a bit early (having only done 10hrs towards RPL) but having been around the aviation industry all my life I know the CPL is something I'm definitely going to pursue and am passionately committed to.

I'm well aware that the first job is going to be a tricky one and I want to get as much info and advice as early as possible so I can make good decisions throughout my training. The training school I'm currently at has a good reputation and I'll definitely be sticking with them through to PPL at the very least. The biggest aircraft they train on is a C182RG. I notice that a lot of charter companies up north (and just in general) are conducting operations with C210's and Twins. Is it worth trying to find a flight school that can conduct training in C210's instead? Would employers even look at young, green, fresh CPL's who did all of their CPL training in smaller Cessnas?

Any advice would be great. I've spent a good deal of time looking through the forum. A lot of the threads seem to be from around 2009 so would be good for some up to date info on the job market too. Is up north still the place to go early in the year? Thanks in advance.

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