Drones in Australia (UAV/UAS)
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"More than 400 large U.S. military drones have crashed in major accidents around the world since 2001, a record of calamity that exposes the potential dangers of throwing open American skies to drone traffic, according to a year-long Washington Post investigation...
...documents obtained by The Post detail scores of previously unreported crashes involving remotely controlled aircraft, challenging the federal government’s assurances that drones will be able to fly safely over populated areas and in the same airspace as passenger planes.
Military drones have slammed into homes, farms, runways, highways, waterways and, in one case, an Air Force C-130 Hercules transport plane in midair..."
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iT news article:
Airports want tighter rules for small drones
"The industry body representing Australia’s airports has rejected a proposal by the country’s civil aviation authority that would allow commercial operators of small drones to fly without a licence, arguing the aircraft pose a significant safety risk..."
Airports want tighter rules for small drones - Hardware - News - iTnews.com.au
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Airports want tighter rules for small drones
"The industry body representing Australia’s airports has rejected a proposal by the country’s civil aviation authority that would allow commercial operators of small drones to fly without a licence, arguing the aircraft pose a significant safety risk..."
Airports want tighter rules for small drones - Hardware - News - iTnews.com.au
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It looks like some are getting pretty hysterical about all this now. I mean licensing the owners of these small quads will guarantee nothing. Just because someone has been 'educated' means zip!
People will always flaunt the law in any area of 'education' when it suits them (Rd rules perfect Eg & they kill daily!) especially if there's commercial gain in it.
What's to say that if someone did enter CTA deliberately or accidental that they pleaded dumb/innocent as these contraptions are well known to 'fly away' under their own steam totally out of control.
I flew my newest toy Quad just 2day & it's amazing it's capabilities in stable hover within about a 4 Mtr sq with height varying by no more than a foot or so, all for around $300 bucks with the best feature 'return to home' being bloody amazing & coupled with FPV means flying for a living is just a bloody chore with zero fun!
I luv toy planes & it will be a shame to regulate them out of existence, but fortunately it can't be done anyway as it's now totally out of the hands of the authorities.
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People will always flaunt the law in any area of 'education' when it suits them (Rd rules perfect Eg & they kill daily!) especially if there's commercial gain in it.
What's to say that if someone did enter CTA deliberately or accidental that they pleaded dumb/innocent as these contraptions are well known to 'fly away' under their own steam totally out of control.
I flew my newest toy Quad just 2day & it's amazing it's capabilities in stable hover within about a 4 Mtr sq with height varying by no more than a foot or so, all for around $300 bucks with the best feature 'return to home' being bloody amazing & coupled with FPV means flying for a living is just a bloody chore with zero fun!
I luv toy planes & it will be a shame to regulate them out of existence, but fortunately it can't be done anyway as it's now totally out of the hands of the authorities.
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The latest DJI Phantom Quadcopter actually has presets which look like they will avoid defined airspace,(at least in the US) although this appears to be able to be altered. Flying?and crashing?a $1,300 quadcopter drone | Ars Technica
It has a 3-axis stabilised gimbal carrying a camera which records 1080 video., multiple modes apart from the normal "return to home if i'm lost" type, and looks like something I'd really like to have for filming in remote areas.
With a size of bigger than the average bird and a max flight ceiling of well over a thousand feet, the Phantom 2 Vision+ can pose a very real danger to aircraft of all sizes. With that in mind, DJI includes airspace restrictions in the Phantom’s firmware.
If the drone’s GPS detects that it’s within certain preset limits (starting at about five miles) of an area of controlled airspace, it begins to limit its flight ceiling, with the limit decreasing the closer one gets to an airport. Within about a mile and a half of an airport, the drone will refuse to fly altogether.
If the drone’s GPS detects that it’s within certain preset limits (starting at about five miles) of an area of controlled airspace, it begins to limit its flight ceiling, with the limit decreasing the closer one gets to an airport. Within about a mile and a half of an airport, the drone will refuse to fly altogether.
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Overseas developments of interest to Oz...
"Gaza-based terrorist group unveils new weapon in deadly arsenal, as Code Red sirens blare from Sdot Negev to Ashdod.
Hamas launched an unmanned aerial vehicle towards southern Israel on Monday morning from the Gaza Strip, as militants continued to fire rockets on Israeli cities and towns. The latest weapon in the arsenal of the Gaza-based terrorist organization was intercepted by a Patriot missile defense battery deployed in central Israel..."
Hamas launches UAV at southern Israel; rocket fire continues - Israel News, Ynetnews
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"Gaza-based terrorist group unveils new weapon in deadly arsenal, as Code Red sirens blare from Sdot Negev to Ashdod.
Hamas launched an unmanned aerial vehicle towards southern Israel on Monday morning from the Gaza Strip, as militants continued to fire rockets on Israeli cities and towns. The latest weapon in the arsenal of the Gaza-based terrorist organization was intercepted by a Patriot missile defense battery deployed in central Israel..."
Hamas launches UAV at southern Israel; rocket fire continues - Israel News, Ynetnews
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In case you haven't seen it, article in the MSM re privacy from drones.
Drones pose growing privacy risk: report
Drones pose growing privacy risk: report
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Update to earlier post. Apparently there was more then one...
"The statement claimed Hamas engineers developed three variants of the UAV – for reconnaissance, aerial bombing, and suicide missions.
Hamas claimed several UAVs took part in each wave of infiltration attempts..."
Hamas claims multiple UAVs launched into Israel - Israel News, Ynetnews
"The statement claimed Hamas engineers developed three variants of the UAV – for reconnaissance, aerial bombing, and suicide missions.
Hamas claimed several UAVs took part in each wave of infiltration attempts..."
Hamas claims multiple UAVs launched into Israel - Israel News, Ynetnews
CAsA, Confusion and Contradiction....
Article in Aviator title "drone for sale" Real estate agency told they are operating commercially taking pics for their sales blurb/board. FFS 
Top marks to Pee Gobsome Corporate Bullsh*ter / Doctor of Spin for CAsA in giving not quite the full story
Que WTF.??? CAsA is supposed to be a "safety" agency, and IS NOT a regulator of commerce.
Now go to last Fridays OZ....Recent statements from PG have said drones under 2kg...CANT be operated commercially.
CAsA now says its looking at new rules that allow "unregulated" use commercial use..under certain circumstances (.. theres the cruncher) of drones weighing less than 2 kg.
For these new drone regs CAsA is taking absolutely NO notice of the New Regs requirements and they sure as hell cant produce ANY "safety" case about the effect of getting paid a dollar making it unsafer that not.
Like a mad Rottwieller with a rotten bone CAsA will just not let go of the "commerce"...as if it has anything to do with safety
Let CAsA continue to spruik rubbish over the drone issue and any emerging industry will be buggerised out of the sky just like GA.
Safe skies are empty skies
Top marks to Pee Gobsome Corporate Bullsh*ter / Doctor of Spin for CAsA in giving not quite the full story
Que WTF.??? CAsA is supposed to be a "safety" agency, and IS NOT a regulator of commerce.
Now go to last Fridays OZ....Recent statements from PG have said drones under 2kg...CANT be operated commercially.
CAsA now says its looking at new rules that allow "unregulated" use commercial use..under certain circumstances (.. theres the cruncher) of drones weighing less than 2 kg.
For these new drone regs CAsA is taking absolutely NO notice of the New Regs requirements and they sure as hell cant produce ANY "safety" case about the effect of getting paid a dollar making it unsafer that not.
Like a mad Rottwieller with a rotten bone CAsA will just not let go of the "commerce"...as if it has anything to do with safety
Let CAsA continue to spruik rubbish over the drone issue and any emerging industry will be buggerised out of the sky just like GA.
Safe skies are empty skies
I agree with you aroa. The only reason CAsA could have to regulate commercial aviation is because the ignorant and unwashed can and do climb aboard.
With a "drone", this is not the case, so regulation should be solely on the safety case which is independent of whether or not money is deemed to or actually changes hands.
In my opinion, the case for regulation can only be made on the basis of the population density of the region of operation - i.e. the likelihood of proximity of unsuspecting non-participants.
With a "drone", this is not the case, so regulation should be solely on the safety case which is independent of whether or not money is deemed to or actually changes hands.
In my opinion, the case for regulation can only be made on the basis of the population density of the region of operation - i.e. the likelihood of proximity of unsuspecting non-participants.
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Easyjet's application of drones - interesting
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Some 192 wild ideas about future drone use...
"16. Missing Pet Drone – Many will pay dearly to find a missing pet."
"48. Drone Hunting Season – Forget the clay pigeons, this is far more challenging."
"57. Comedian Drone – Flies in and performs random acts of comedy."
"64. Fireworks Dropping Drones – Our ability to “ignite and drop” fireworks from the sky will dramatically change both how they’re made and the artistry used to display them."
"180. Shade Drones – Too much sun, no problem. The drone clouds are here!"
FuturistSpeaker.com ? A Study of Future Trends and Predictions by Futurist Thomas Frey » Blog Archive » 192 Future Uses for Flying Drones
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"16. Missing Pet Drone – Many will pay dearly to find a missing pet."
"48. Drone Hunting Season – Forget the clay pigeons, this is far more challenging."
"57. Comedian Drone – Flies in and performs random acts of comedy."
"64. Fireworks Dropping Drones – Our ability to “ignite and drop” fireworks from the sky will dramatically change both how they’re made and the artistry used to display them."
"180. Shade Drones – Too much sun, no problem. The drone clouds are here!"
FuturistSpeaker.com ? A Study of Future Trends and Predictions by Futurist Thomas Frey » Blog Archive » 192 Future Uses for Flying Drones
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why use a drone, when mounting some high definition cameras and scanners on the hangar ceiling, and doors, then you scan the aircraft as its pulled in and out of the hangar. no risk of getting the structures guys in to fix drone impact damage.
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Apparently in the UK there is a concern that bomb Drones might be used by terrorists. Now who'da thunk such a thing...
?Killer robots?: Ex-GCHQ boss calls for drone controls ? RT UK
Commercial drones could be invading the UK within 20 years, used by everyone from terrorists to burglars, an ex-GCHQ boss warns. It found the growing use of drones raises “significant safety, security and privacy concerns.”
In a report released by the University of Birmingham Policy Commission, led by the former head of GCHQ Sir David Omand...
...The report warns terrorists could turn drones into flying bombs by installing improvised explosive devices...
...“Crowds at sporting events or rallies could be vulnerable in a similar way if a future terrorist group were to look for means of dispersing chemical or biological agents,” it states...
...On Saturday, a 41-year-old man was arrested as a suspected drone pilot after a UAV flew over a packed Etihad Stadium during a match between Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur.
(GCHQ is an intelligence and security organisation, working to keep Britain safe and secure in the challenging environment of modern communications...)
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?Killer robots?: Ex-GCHQ boss calls for drone controls ? RT UK
Commercial drones could be invading the UK within 20 years, used by everyone from terrorists to burglars, an ex-GCHQ boss warns. It found the growing use of drones raises “significant safety, security and privacy concerns.”
In a report released by the University of Birmingham Policy Commission, led by the former head of GCHQ Sir David Omand...
...The report warns terrorists could turn drones into flying bombs by installing improvised explosive devices...
...“Crowds at sporting events or rallies could be vulnerable in a similar way if a future terrorist group were to look for means of dispersing chemical or biological agents,” it states...
...On Saturday, a 41-year-old man was arrested as a suspected drone pilot after a UAV flew over a packed Etihad Stadium during a match between Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur.
(GCHQ is an intelligence and security organisation, working to keep Britain safe and secure in the challenging environment of modern communications...)
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Bombing drones? Why not? It's only a decade since that bloke in NZ developed his own home-made cruise missile...
Drone crashes into Canning Vale house
And in the northern hemisphere......
From Gliding International Nov-Dec 2014.
....commonsense prevails.
In Canada...."commercial drone use has ...taken off"
.."The Canadian permit system requires that the applicant explain how he/she plans to use the drone and what safety precautions will be taken.
Transport Canada reviews the application, consults with the applicant and issues a permit with specific operational limitations for the desired use.
The process is reported to take 10 -20 business days.
And NO mention that its illegal to engage in 'commerce'.
In Canada they obviously accept that is what you do in a capitalist society
In Oz commerce is a heinous crime (strict liability, of course) AND a safety hazard.
In 2013 TC issues 945 permits !!
And for CAsA how many operator permits were issued by the 945 drones shuffling paper in (Non) Aviation House in 2013..??
And at what cost? And how long did it take ?
Vive la dfference. !
....commonsense prevails.
In Canada...."commercial drone use has ...taken off"
.."The Canadian permit system requires that the applicant explain how he/she plans to use the drone and what safety precautions will be taken.
Transport Canada reviews the application, consults with the applicant and issues a permit with specific operational limitations for the desired use.
The process is reported to take 10 -20 business days.
And NO mention that its illegal to engage in 'commerce'.
In Canada they obviously accept that is what you do in a capitalist society
In Oz commerce is a heinous crime (strict liability, of course) AND a safety hazard.
In 2013 TC issues 945 permits !!
And for CAsA how many operator permits were issued by the 945 drones shuffling paper in (Non)
Aviation House in 2013..??And at what cost? And how long did it take ?
Vive la dfference. !