Hours Building Job
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Hours Building Job
Like every pilot my end state is a job with an airline, that being said I'm not in a massive rush to get to the jets. Ive wanted to enjoy my time flying, and there have been a few jobs I wanted to do before I get to that end state - instructing being high on my list. After spending some time in the flying game I feel I now have some experience I can impart on the students.
However, before I spend $15,000 on an instructor rating, I'm wondering how favourable the airlines look at S/E piston hours when hiring people ? Do they care what the hours in your logbook are, or is it a case of the more hours the better irrespective of what they are? I'd be keen to spend a couple of years instructing to build experience, SA, flying skills (and have some fun) before applying (hopefully as a better product!). I've also clocked up about 800 hours multi engine turbine.
I know it varies with supply and demand, but does anyone have any generalised insight?
However, before I spend $15,000 on an instructor rating, I'm wondering how favourable the airlines look at S/E piston hours when hiring people ? Do they care what the hours in your logbook are, or is it a case of the more hours the better irrespective of what they are? I'd be keen to spend a couple of years instructing to build experience, SA, flying skills (and have some fun) before applying (hopefully as a better product!). I've also clocked up about 800 hours multi engine turbine.
I know it varies with supply and demand, but does anyone have any generalised insight?
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Airlines do look at what your hours were spent doing. For example, at least one European LCC applies a "correction factor" to your hours, x1 for all time spent on the type they use, x0.8 for biz jets, x0.75 for turboprops etc...
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I've also clocked up about 800 hours multi engine turbine.
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I'm not in a massive rush to get to the jets. Ive wanted to enjoy my time flying
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You make it sound like you won't enjoy flying a jet ! Maybe jets won't give you what you are looking for.
With those sort of hours you are too experienced to Instruct unless you are a Grade 1
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Nah, I'm just at the start of my career mate - just want to enjoy the full experience the industry can provide up to and including the jets!
I fail to understand the 'too experienced to instruct' comment. There will always be a place for Junior Instructors, but they all should have/need mentoring and supervision-and that comes from EXPERIENCE!!!! Seriously 
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You make it sound like you won't enjoy flying a jet ! Maybe jets won't give you what you are looking for.
Good luck on your trip through life anyway!
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Like every pilot my end state is a job with an airline
Um, no actually, not even close.
Like every pilot my end state is a job with an airline
Um, no actually, not even close.
You can become a QFI in the ADF too.
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Like every pilot my end state is a job with an airline
Um, no actually, not even close.
Hear hear! Can think of nothing more boring. Please stay out of the instructor "game" if it is just a means to build hours, leave it to the professionals
Like every pilot my end state is a job with an airline
Um, no actually, not even close.
Hear hear! Can think of nothing more boring. Please stay out of the instructor "game" if it is just a means to build hours, leave it to the professionals
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Why not try what Centaurus is suggesting and apply for the ADF, even learn to fly helicopters
My current job is flying choppers in the ADF, however I'm looking to switch to fixed wing so I can one day fly "the big stuff." Unfortunatly for me I can't change to the RAAF due to manning issues (Even though I've done 2FTS).
I was looking at instructing at BFTS, but my service has limited positions at the school, and it's way too late to put my hat in the ring for that job now (and I think the flashbacks from that place would kill me
) So if I want to instruct Ill have to do it in the civilian sector. I love flying choppers but I know I need a bucket load of fixed wing PIC time if I want to be realistic about applying to the airlines one day - so I was looking at instructing as something I really want to do and as something that will hopefully count to the airlines down the track...
Please stay out of the instructor "game" if it is just a means to build hours, leave it to the professionals
Pull your head in mate...
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Do the airlines still have an upper age limit ?
In my day the airlines lost interest after age 27 unless they were desperate which was not very often. Seems these days there is a much bigger pool to draw on.
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In my day the airlines lost interest after age 27 unless they were desperate which was not very often. Seems these days there is a much bigger pool to draw on.
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"Are you saying (without knowing a thing about me) that I'm so unprofessional that, because part of my motivation is hours building, that Ill do a half arsed job instructing?"
Wasn't addressed to you in particular although you did refer to flying as a "game"
To a lot of us instructing is a career in itself, flying isn't a "game" and is not just a way of building hours for the airlines, many of us dislike being generalised about as if civvy pilots who chose other career paths are somehow "failed" airline pilots who couldn't make it. it's a different world out here in civvy street with completely different motivations, career paths and opportunities to those in the ADF.
I also dislike being told to "pull my head in" by someone whose career has so far been paid for by my taxes. Have a nice day.
Wasn't addressed to you in particular although you did refer to flying as a "game"
To a lot of us instructing is a career in itself, flying isn't a "game" and is not just a way of building hours for the airlines, many of us dislike being generalised about as if civvy pilots who chose other career paths are somehow "failed" airline pilots who couldn't make it. it's a different world out here in civvy street with completely different motivations, career paths and opportunities to those in the ADF.
I also dislike being told to "pull my head in" by someone whose career has so far been paid for by my taxes. Have a nice day.
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Wasn't addressed to you in particular although you did refer to flying as a "game"
many of us dislike being generalised about as if civvy pilots who chose other career paths are somehow "failed" airline pilots who couldn't make it. it's a different world out here in civvy street with completely different motivations, career paths and opportunities to those in the ADF.
I also dislike being told to "pull my head in" by someone whose career has so far been paid for by my taxes. Have a nice day.
Before you imply that I owe you for my career... How about you take some quiet time to consider what that career actually involves....
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I fail to understand the 'too experienced to instruct' comment. There will always be a place for Junior Instructors
However you are not a Junior Pilot, and that is the difference.
Go and call up a few places, pretend to be a qualified Instructor make sure to say all your experience of turbine etc and report back here with the replies you get. I am trying to point out to you the commercial reality from a Aeroclub or Training Organisation point of view. Hope you have checked out the pay rates too by the way.
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Username, you set yourself up and those who responded by not telling more about your experiences. To then attack those who were good enough to respond is ungracious.
No-one is setting out to deliberately attack you or down play your apparently considerable experience.
No-one is setting out to deliberately attack you or down play your apparently considerable experience.
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