Petition | Remove ASIC cards entirely
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The change is that ASICs are automatically re-issued unless ASIO has determined in its' regular trawls through the various criminal databases that the recipient is of concern to them.
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Originally Posted by cattletruck
If ASIO has a valid reason to stop someone with a pilots license from entering airside then it should also have the sense to stop them flying as well. Incorporating the ASIC into the license will save us dollars, as if we aren't already paying enough for the privilege just to have the license ticket current.
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Anyone applying for a new license, eg, from CPL to ATPL requires a current ASIC or AVID
Try SPL to higher.
The laws have changed significantly since this crap card was introduced.
I'd have to look it up at length, as its buried in the small books we are supposed to absorb...
If you recall, you are only permitted X number of training hours before you have to apply for a Student Pilots Licence (SPL)
It now stands that that same limitation applies to your application for an AVID/ASIC.
Furthermore, you are no longer permitted to operate as PIC whithou holding one or the other....i.e you cannot solo until you have it in your hands. Having the application in, is no longer accepted. You either have the card or you do not.
if you do not, then no solo for you.
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WRONG!
Try SPL to higher.
Try SPL to higher.
I only gave one example, that of a CPL holder applying for a new ATPL but obviously, there are other examples as well.
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Remember though that the reasons that the ASIC was introduced was that the Government felt that it had to be seen to do something to prevent an act of Terrorism similar to that of September 11th 2001.
The easily recognisable fact that an ASIC would not do so is neither here nor there. The Govt had to be seen to do something!
Of course, the fact that it would also raise extra revenue was not a factor.
And for that precise reason, ie revenue, it will never be repealed.
The easily recognisable fact that an ASIC would not do so is neither here nor there. The Govt had to be seen to do something!
Of course, the fact that it would also raise extra revenue was not a factor.
And for that precise reason, ie revenue, it will never be repealed.
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It's a case of if you wish to access a secure airport, what's good for one has to be the same for another. So if you wish to access the tarmac at the GA end of a secure airport, there's nothing to stop you walking across to the RPT side which definitely needs an ASIC. Otherwise they'd need to put in more fences and gates.
ASICs are never going to disappear, they can't. For us working in the industry they're a necessity unfortunately however we need to know if someone wandering the airport is legitimately allowed to be there.
A better battle to fight would be the reduction/abolishment of cost or a lengthening of validity (IE 10 years like a Passport).
ASICs are never going to disappear, they can't. For us working in the industry they're a necessity unfortunately however we need to know if someone wandering the airport is legitimately allowed to be there.
A better battle to fight would be the reduction/abolishment of cost or a lengthening of validity (IE 10 years like a Passport).
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As a GA business on a small RPT airfield I find the impost of paying for ASIC cards for my staff an unwelcome extra cost. I too have flown to many airports around Australia and the only airport that I was asked happened to be an Airport that produces ASIC cards. No prizes for why ! These cards are very cheap to produce and only a third of the cost is related to the Government background checks. So there is good money to be made by making thesecards
During a recent visit to a military airfield for work my ASIC card was not accepted as suitable identification but my Car Drivers license was ! So go figure!
Basically we need an ID attached to our pilots licence or based on our Passport.
During a recent visit to a military airfield for work my ASIC card was not accepted as suitable identification but my Car Drivers license was ! So go figure!
Basically we need an ID attached to our pilots licence or based on our Passport.
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Griffo; A realist maybe, but I'm also too flamin' cynical for my own good at times.
Arther Q's comment re the effectiveness of the ASIC when on a Military airfield says it all really.
Arther Q's comment re the effectiveness of the ASIC when on a Military airfield says it all really.
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Wow
Last ASIC I bought was $80 (I think) now it is $200!! Wages must have gone up in the ASIC office!
This card is a joke, as a Mil pilot I don't need to have an ASIC, but to command a 152 I do!!
Very odd indeed.
This card is a joke, as a Mil pilot I don't need to have an ASIC, but to command a 152 I do!!
Very odd indeed.
'PA' it's all relevant you see, $200 bucks is 'cause you fly a lighty & yr of a high level risk with that lethal weapon (C150), for keeping us safe in yr warbird we pay you
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