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Old 30th May 2013, 08:58
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It is pointless trying to blame the power company or airservices because a wire has no balls on it or it is not marked on a topo map. I remember a power company employee at an ag conference once admitting that they simply don't know where all the wires are. The excuse was something like a lot of old paper records were lost when a building was flooded. As the power companies get bigger and make redundant more of the local staff with the local knowledge it will only get worse. So don't hold your breath waiting for some digital data base to appear showing all wires. It would only create a liability issue for the power company so they are not going to go there. Ditto for hanging balls on wires.

If you have to work in the low level environment be suitably trained and qualified. If you are not, stay out of it. There are too many people with these 5 hour so called low level endorsements that seem to think it then gives them the right to go as low as they need to when going from A to B.

I would hope that an experienced low level pilot would not end up in the position old mate in the helicopter did, but if you did , every fibre of your body would be screaming wires. They are part of the low level environment. You are responsible for yourself in this environment. No one else. Wires are front and centre in every thought process. Just because they are not marked on a map doesn't mean they are not there.

We usually get property maps that hopefully are marked with all wires and obstructions. But the first rule is that you don't believe them. You go and look for yourself. And check again. I was once given a paddock map that was supposedly complete. Because there were a few adjacent buildings I quizzed the farmer fairly well about where there might be other wires. No, that was it. Took the first load out to find a 200 foot radio mast in the corner of the paddock complete with guy wires. Never trust the bastards.
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Old 30th May 2013, 13:26
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Better still, maybe we should all sit in our timely manor and sip tea while some other dumb bugger tries to find the SWER lines ... in a timely manner
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Old 31st May 2013, 02:12
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Splendid idea, what! Make mine a Darjeeling, there's a good chap!
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Old 8th Jun 2013, 09:03
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It's not about the flying, it's about the lying, I mean LAWYERING...

If the company believes the lawyers and can pay the fees ( or vice versa) the case runs. Only 15 per cent of civil claims actually go to trial.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 07:21
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Appeal dismissed

The appeal by AV8 Air Charter Pty Ltd was dismissed yesterday by the Court of Appeal.
AV8 Air Charter Pty Limited v Sydney Helicopters Pty Limited [2014] NSWCA 46 (12 March 2014)
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Old 14th Mar 2014, 16:17
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Perhaps someone could invent a piece of equip that detects an electrical field ahead of an A/C & alert the driver b4hand in a timely manor?
They are available to the helo industry Wally.

Products : Powerline Detection | Safe Flight Instrument Corporation
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 01:29
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Point of interest here:
This case was all about money....nothing else!
The PIC was not subjected to any Administrative Action or Prosecution from CASA and therefore, one could assume that no offenses were committed with this accident.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 03:13
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That's correct, there is no law against being stupid.
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Old 15th Mar 2014, 04:38
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I suspect the legal costs will have far outweighed the cost of the excess, I must admit I'm surprised the defendant didn't have to cover that cost. Try renting a car from Budget/Avis without paying the excess or at least paying up front to not have one. I guess in this case the lack of existence of a written contract was the bad move.
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