MERGED: Jetstar Pilot Cadet Programme
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From: Melbourne
Pretty sure Mr Google will have plenty of background info.
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From: YMMB
I've met and spoken with more than a dozen Jetstar cadets and former cadets now flying the A320.
They all say pretty much the same thing.
1) OAA/CAE is disorganised and you need to be on the ball to push thru
2) The Jetstar cadetship is pretty much what is advertised
3) Probably 90% of cadets who start the course end up flying for Jetstar
4) They are happy with the deal and the way things turned out for them
It's tough to get a spot. I heard something like 1% who apply get an offer. The psychometric testing and interviews must be effective at choosing the best candidates, judging by the high completion rate.
The Jetstar cadets I met were a little bit more mature, rather than being 18yo school-leavers, and came from a wide variety of backgrounds. One really switched on Jetstar cadet was formerly a builder in his late 20s.
They all say pretty much the same thing.
1) OAA/CAE is disorganised and you need to be on the ball to push thru
2) The Jetstar cadetship is pretty much what is advertised
3) Probably 90% of cadets who start the course end up flying for Jetstar
4) They are happy with the deal and the way things turned out for them
It's tough to get a spot. I heard something like 1% who apply get an offer. The psychometric testing and interviews must be effective at choosing the best candidates, judging by the high completion rate.
The Jetstar cadets I met were a little bit more mature, rather than being 18yo school-leavers, and came from a wide variety of backgrounds. One really switched on Jetstar cadet was formerly a builder in his late 20s.
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From: Melbourne
1) OAA/CAE is disorganised and you need to be on the ball to push thru
2) The Jetstar cadetship is pretty much what is advertised
3) Probably 90% of cadets who start the course end up flying for Jetstar
4) They are happy with the deal and the way things turned out for them
It's tough to get a spot. I heard something like 1% who apply get an offer. The psychometric testing and interviews must be effective at choosing the best candidates, judging by the high completion rate.
The Jetstar cadets I met were a little bit more mature, rather than being 18yo school-leavers, and came from a wide variety of backgrounds. One really switched on Jetstar cadet was formerly a builder in his late 20s.
2) The Jetstar cadetship is pretty much what is advertised
3) Probably 90% of cadets who start the course end up flying for Jetstar
4) They are happy with the deal and the way things turned out for them
It's tough to get a spot. I heard something like 1% who apply get an offer. The psychometric testing and interviews must be effective at choosing the best candidates, judging by the high completion rate.
The Jetstar cadets I met were a little bit more mature, rather than being 18yo school-leavers, and came from a wide variety of backgrounds. One really switched on Jetstar cadet was formerly a builder in his late 20s.
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From: australia
Are we still expecting a 1500 hour rule to come in to practice?
My impression was that the senate inquiry led to a big lead of nothing in terms of increasing the number of hours required by airline cockpit crew...
My impression was that the senate inquiry led to a big lead of nothing in terms of increasing the number of hours required by airline cockpit crew...
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From: Melbourne
The standard cadet scare campaign runs like this;
200 less places for the GA Astronauts , who did us so proud on the Flight Decks of Tiger, and perhaps "one or two" little incidents at Virgin.
So if catching grabs , and living in fly infested !!!!!holes full of misfits and derros, in what is largely the wasteland of outback Australia, and being in poverty for ten years isn't what you had in mind for your future.
From leaving year 12 to flying an A320 full of paying passengers, you can be doing this 20 months from school.
Go direct to the Jet - Go Cadet
And please have some manners about , be humble , send your unemployed friends who went the GA path a food parcel every six months. And don't tell them about your six week holiday to Europe this year, where you will be flying business class, and visiting the October Fest.
Go direct to the Jet - Go Cadet
- There is no guarantee of employment - 90% plus are employed
- You will not get an ATPL - no command hours - they are approved for all sorts of ICUS regimes , all the Qantas cadets from 70s now 380/747 captains
- The big bad company is making money from you - not true just weren't happy with the calibre of Direct Entry Pilots - the program costs them money with increased training , approvals , supervision for a couple of years
- The big bad flying school is making money from you- not true Oxford Melb not making much , compare the $84K for CPL/IR in Melb to the costs they charge the Brits - $89 K GBPounds.
- There will be a 1500 hour limit bought in. USA only country in developed world to bring this in, already large exemptions given to certain groups, pretty much a "thought bubble" reaction to one accident. Cadet safety proven by likes of BA/Luftansa/KLM/SIA/Cathay over the last 50 years and of course our own world champions of Aviation Safety - qantas. How many aircraft "saves" have we had by our very own heroic Qantas Pilots who started as cadets. American 1500 hour rule Not even on the agenda
200 less places for the GA Astronauts , who did us so proud on the Flight Decks of Tiger, and perhaps "one or two" little incidents at Virgin.
So if catching grabs , and living in fly infested !!!!!holes full of misfits and derros, in what is largely the wasteland of outback Australia, and being in poverty for ten years isn't what you had in mind for your future.
From leaving year 12 to flying an A320 full of paying passengers, you can be doing this 20 months from school.
Go direct to the Jet - Go Cadet
And please have some manners about , be humble , send your unemployed friends who went the GA path a food parcel every six months. And don't tell them about your six week holiday to Europe this year, where you will be flying business class, and visiting the October Fest.
Go direct to the Jet - Go Cadet
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From: 3rd rock from the sun
So if catching grabs , and living in fly infested !!!!!holes full of misfits and derros, in what is largely the wasteland of outback Australia, and being in poverty for ten years isn't what you had in mind for your future.
- I never caught crabs.
- I never lived in fly infested !!!!!holes - sure they weren't always the most attractive places going, but I had a damn good time enjoying different experiences
- I probably see my fair share of misfits and derro's getting onto Jetstar aircraft as well, and I didn't need to go to the outback to see that
- Wasteland of Outback Australia? That just proves your pure ignorance there. I'll be sure to tell my in-laws that next time they're mustering their cattle to send the meat to the supermarket for you
- No six figure salaries in a lot of GA, but I think 'poverty' is a bit far. I guess if you wanted to live on caviar, you would be in poverty
- Ohh and that holiday to Europe - I also earnt it, I didn't just rely on it being 'given' to me by way of staff travel
morno
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From: Australia
There are ignorant, stuck-up, uneducated pilots from all employment backgrounds. Likewise (not directed at anyone in particular) there are arrogant, opinionated, and self-entitled pilots also.
Like everything, it's what you make of it. Have the right attitude, and you can go far - regardless of which particular career direction you choose to take!
Have the wrong one and, well, there are enough examples here
Like everything, it's what you make of it. Have the right attitude, and you can go far - regardless of which particular career direction you choose to take!
Have the wrong one and, well, there are enough examples here
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From: Melbourne
"In the homeland of Aviation the USA, pilots for the Major Airlines in majority come from the Regional/GA sector and have an average of 4000 hours flight time when they join a major airline. Unlike Europe & Asia the American airlines have never had airline pilot cadetships , like BA/Luftansa etc. There have been 17 airline jet accidents in the USA which have had over 100 fatalities. This demonstrates the inherent dangers of Airline Pilot Cadetships, and how the should be regarded with caution, and a high degree of suspicion"
Discuss , 500 words - 40 Minutes (OK Morno I know you didn't get a fair shake with your "edutation" you can have until Friday lunchtime, it's Ok my friend we all know you didn't trouble the selection panel at Med school)
Discuss , 500 words - 40 Minutes (OK Morno I know you didn't get a fair shake with your "edutation" you can have until Friday lunchtime, it's Ok my friend we all know you didn't trouble the selection panel at Med school)
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From: Australia
Ban me but Jesus, what a ********. Flyboat North, if you're representative of the attitudes of cadets in J* (which surely the majority don't have their heads stuck up as far up their arses as you) I'll quite happily stay in my GA job.
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From: DSS-46 (Canberra Region)
So yet another thread deteriorates into a cadet bashing exercise. Generally by people with little or no experience in the matter.
Let's get back on topic. If you are unable or incapable of offering information regarding the subject - please refrain from posting.
Further posts along the bashing front will be deleted.
Let's get back on topic. If you are unable or incapable of offering information regarding the subject - please refrain from posting.
Further posts along the bashing front will be deleted.
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From: In God's Country
Wow, flyboat north reminds me of why I'm ashamed to be a pilot...
GA, military, regionals and now GA again living in one of the supposed S***holes, but have a good lifestyle and a six figure salary...
Happy with my experiences and adventures and would guarantee more capable than Mr Go jet - be a cadet...
Mods - why do you defend twits like this, obviously trolling??
GA, military, regionals and now GA again living in one of the supposed S***holes, but have a good lifestyle and a six figure salary...
Happy with my experiences and adventures and would guarantee more capable than Mr Go jet - be a cadet...
Mods - why do you defend twits like this, obviously trolling??
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From: Australia
Well, if the program goes ahead in August, I was wondering if anyone has any idea on the time frame related to the selection process?
Such as application closing date, interviews/aptitude test schedules etc.
There is little/no information available but if anyone has any ideas from past experience that'd be appreciated.
Cheers.
Such as application closing date, interviews/aptitude test schedules etc.
There is little/no information available but if anyone has any ideas from past experience that'd be appreciated.
Cheers.
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From: Enzed
I hear the recently graduated Jetstar cadets from CTC have been told there's no job at Jetstar anymore. OUCH spending all that money and no job.
Due to Qantas's present woes apparently. I'd say it doesn't bode well for any other Jetstar cadets.
Due to Qantas's present woes apparently. I'd say it doesn't bode well for any other Jetstar cadets.
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From: Melbourne
The only people they have said "no" to are direct entry's from GA/Regional, sorry boys it's all over.
Just another variation of the scare campaign -- "no guaranteed job"
QF group have a very long history of looking after their cadet groups whether they be from mainline, jetstar, qlink. As long as they have the work ethic and good attitude , they get plenty of chances. A lot of QF cadets were offered and subsequently accepted places in Jetstar cadetship, QF mainline cadets upgraded at Qlink etc.
Nearly 100 cadets on the propery, and same number in the the pipeline. All intakes at Jetstar now will be from two sources only firstly Qantas transfers/redundant/lwop, and then cadets.
Lets have a look at the number of GA/Regional that got RPT jet jobs over past two years.
The future is so bright you have to wear shades !
Enjoy the Desert boys looks like you will out there for just a little bitsy longer - what wise investment twas to self sponsor and pay
that $100K for training, when you knew you had slim employment prospects at the end, and no company had indicated to you pre-training
that they might have an interest in employing you.
Clearly Regional/GA pilots in Australia know they have realistically zero chance of an RPT Jet Job , for at least a couple of years. So you try to drag
the cadet programs down because you are jealous of where they are going, but the they got the airline job sorted prior to commencing training. You guys didn't and have been caught out - hence the tall poppy syndrome.
Go Straight to the Jet - Go Cadet
Just another variation of the scare campaign -- "no guaranteed job"
QF group have a very long history of looking after their cadet groups whether they be from mainline, jetstar, qlink. As long as they have the work ethic and good attitude , they get plenty of chances. A lot of QF cadets were offered and subsequently accepted places in Jetstar cadetship, QF mainline cadets upgraded at Qlink etc.
Nearly 100 cadets on the propery, and same number in the the pipeline. All intakes at Jetstar now will be from two sources only firstly Qantas transfers/redundant/lwop, and then cadets.
Lets have a look at the number of GA/Regional that got RPT jet jobs over past two years.
- QF - zero
- Virgin - zero
- Jetstar - less than 50
The future is so bright you have to wear shades !
Enjoy the Desert boys looks like you will out there for just a little bitsy longer - what wise investment twas to self sponsor and pay
that $100K for training, when you knew you had slim employment prospects at the end, and no company had indicated to you pre-training
that they might have an interest in employing you.
Clearly Regional/GA pilots in Australia know they have realistically zero chance of an RPT Jet Job , for at least a couple of years. So you try to drag
the cadet programs down because you are jealous of where they are going, but the they got the airline job sorted prior to commencing training. You guys didn't and have been caught out - hence the tall poppy syndrome.
Go Straight to the Jet - Go Cadet
Last edited by Flyboat North; 31st March 2014 at 04:36.
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From: Enroute from Dagobah to Tatooine...!
Mate, you are so focussed on the 'majors' you forget there is another world out there operating RPT jets. Just off the top of my head: Alliance, Network, Air North, Cobham, QLink, JetGo, not to mention the corporate bizjets, overseas job prospects (some, like Air Niugini even offer Aus base), top tier GA positions etc that are all open to the person who has had a well-rounded career.
This industry has ups and downs, and when it is down, the GA guy will have more freedom to move and options every time - hands down.
Maybe you're the one with the tall poppy syndrome feeling insecure about your prospects?!
I'll shut up now as it's not really my barrow to push anyway as I actually never wanted a major airline job. I'm not bitter and twisted. It was never on the career goal radar in the first place. You wouldn't understand I guess...
This industry has ups and downs, and when it is down, the GA guy will have more freedom to move and options every time - hands down.
Maybe you're the one with the tall poppy syndrome feeling insecure about your prospects?!
I'll shut up now as it's not really my barrow to push anyway as I actually never wanted a major airline job. I'm not bitter and twisted. It was never on the career goal radar in the first place. You wouldn't understand I guess...