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Old 24th Mar 2013, 21:21
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C210 crash in Roma

This morning a C210 VH-MEQ crashed in Roma.


Unsure on number of people on board.
ELT was activated but apparently there was a fatality.

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TV just said two fatalities. Plane came down 2km short of runway.....

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Local news confirms two fatalities. Time of incident around 5.30 am this morning. The authorities are "not sure" whether the aircraft was arriving or departing Roma. It lives north of Dalby, seems it may have been heading for Tambo?
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TWO people have died in a plane crash about 2km from the Roma airport.

Two people died when the Cessna 210 crashed soon after take-off at at about 5:30am this morning.

The identity of the two people is yet to be released as police have yet to notify the victim's families.

More to come as it is known.
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Depending upon how accurate "at about 5:30" is, just before first light (1947z) today.
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If it was departing, which runway was it off?
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Depending upon how accurate "at about 5:30" is, just before first light (1947z) today.
Are you thinking what I'm thinking Clarrie - somatogravic illusion?

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The Police are appealing for any eye witnesses.

The aircraft accident site is north of Roma, so probable departure RW 36.

The site is close to Hartley Lane, south of Orange Hill. There is so much clear country around Roma suitable for an emergency landing.

Heard the owner may have been heading to a bull sale out west.

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Roma is RW 18 / 36 sealed or 09 / 27 unsealed, gets a little messy to the north around Orange Hill but terrain is generally quite clear.. Black holes don't care about terrain though...
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Names of plane crash victims released | Surat Basin Online

Fair bit of damage. Nasty stuff. RIP.
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Just seen news footage which confirms what the copper on the news says in that debris was scattered over hundreds of meters. The debris looked like paper while the main wreckage seemed to be in one place. Could it have come apart before it hit the ground?

Very confusing indeed especially so close to the airport. ???
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...Very confusing indeed...
We'll have a fair idea soon enough...

The ATSB is investigating a fatal aircraft accident involving a Cessna T210N that occurred on 25 March 2013 near Roma, Queensland.

Soon after takeoff, the aircraft collided with terrain. The two occupants died in the accident and the aircraft was destroyed.

A team of four investigators will arrive at the accident site tonight to begin the on-site investigation.

The team comprises experts in engineering, materials failure and aircraft operations.


Investigation: AO-2013-057 - Collision with terrain involving Cessna T210N, VH-MEQ, 2 km west of Roma Airport, Queensland on 25 March 2013






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I was on your page Desert Flower in thinking that the pilots log book would hold most of the answers here, just like the ABC chopper in Marree. Still waiting for that one. However first light at 5:46am at Roma with sunrise at 6:10am. Estimated time of the crash in the ATSB preliminary report, 5:50am. If that was the first flight of the day it certainly appears as though the pilot was trying to be legal for flight under day VFR. Regardless of the cause, a 10 minute delay would likely have changed the outcome based on multiple cause scenarios.

Certainly a shocker of a couple of weeks in the Australian world of aviation.

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Regardless of the cause, a 10 minute delay would likely have changed the outcome based on multiple cause scenarios.
Why would a 10 min delay change the outcome?
Leaving the plane in the hangar would have changed the outcome as well!!

Well there's a new term for media to ponder.... Multiple cause scenarios!
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Why would a 10 min delay change the outcome?
Lets just say DF was right, it wouldn't have happened if there was more light.
On the other hand, if it was mechanical and required to be put down as in an EFATO you have much more chance if you could see properly. Not even speculating, just saying that if it had been a little later, things may have been different. Personally I have not been near Roma at 5:50am so I can't comment on the lighting conditions.

Multiple Cause Scenarios (MCS), it comes up in Google so I'm sticking with it.
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...Not even speculating, just saying that...
Your funny VH-XXX..
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Speculating would be saying / guessing what caused it; don't think I've done that. I'm saying it is more of a tragedy because a short time after may have yielded many alternate scenarios.
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Are you thinking what I'm thinking Clarrie - somatogravic illusion?
In a Cessna 210? I doubt it. It's not exactly a hot ship. There are countless C210 flying around at night in Australia in black hole conditions and they aren't all crashing due somatogravic illusion. More often than not, similar type accidents are due unfortunately to poor instrument flying ability.
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Wasn't there a KingAir that crashed around Roma about 20 years ago from the Somatogravic Illusion? Or was it somewhere else in QLD. I remember reading the crash comic about it on the table at my flying school. Never forgot it and was always in the back of my mind when I started flying 210s on dark nights in the outback and onwards into the Turbine world. If only the young pilots of today had such tomes to read.

If I read you correctly Centaurus, are you implying that if you nail the instruments (ie pitch), you won't get the illusion in a C210, but you would/could in something faster?
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There was a TB10 flown by a couple of foreign students that speared in at Ceduna some years ago due to somotogravic illusion. Wouldn't say a TB10 was hot ship either!

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