ADS-B - Automatic Infringment Generator?
Thousands of drones? What pray tell will they be doing? What makes you think they'll all be needing an ATC service? I already see a screen full of code 1200 blow flies buzzing around and rarely provide a direct service to any of them. Unless I can be guaranteed real time two way comms and following of controller instructions, i.e. behaving like a manned aircraft, they won't be getting a clearance in my airspace.
via le Pingouin;
Thousands of drones? What pray tell will they be doing? What makes you think they'll all be needing an ATC service? I already see a screen full of code 1200 blow flies buzzing around and rarely provide a direct service to any of them. Unless I can be guaranteed real time two way comms and following of controller instructions, i.e. behaving like a manned aircraft, they won't be getting a clearance in my airspace.
Thousands of drones? What pray tell will they be doing? What makes you think they'll all be needing an ATC service? I already see a screen full of code 1200 blow flies buzzing around and rarely provide a direct service to any of them. Unless I can be guaranteed real time two way comms and following of controller instructions, i.e. behaving like a manned aircraft, they won't be getting a clearance in my airspace.
What will they be doing...
A bill passed in by Congress this week paves the way for the use of surveillance drones in US skies. The FAA predicts that by 2020 there could be up to 30,000 drones in operation.
...The bill will exponentially speed up and streamline the process by which the FAA authorizes the use of drones by federal, state and local police and other government agencies.
...open up US skies to what will become a multi-million dollar business.
Drones over U.S. get OK by Congress - Washington Times
...and thus we see one of the push factors for ADS-B.
Aircraft owners will be paying the drone operators airspace set-up costs. And aircraft owners and pilots will be paying for the 'privilege' of flying in drone airspace.
I guess if yer in ATC its all upside...
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Last edited by Flying Binghi; 25th Mar 2013 at 12:55.
Will the drones be stopping you flying around VFR see-and-avoid? Will they present a significant increased risk? Big sky theory says generally not but it wouldn't be nice in a busy circuit.
They won't have a huge impact from an ATC perspective - we'll accommodate what we can and deny access for the rest.
As a controller the only time I care about ADS-B is where I can use it to separate. Low level around the mainland capitals? We already have radar coverage. The vast majority of low level elsewhere is OCTA - surveillance coverage (radar/WAM/ADS-B) is handy for traffic but not essential. High level? That isn't going to affect anyone without a clearance.
In some ways I'd prefer to not see low level coverage because what's going to happen when two ADS-B equipped aircraft collide OCTA? "They were clearly presented on your screen yet you did nothing to warn the aircraft of the impending collision".
Despite the best efforts of some we aren't yet a state of the USA.
They won't have a huge impact from an ATC perspective - we'll accommodate what we can and deny access for the rest.
As a controller the only time I care about ADS-B is where I can use it to separate. Low level around the mainland capitals? We already have radar coverage. The vast majority of low level elsewhere is OCTA - surveillance coverage (radar/WAM/ADS-B) is handy for traffic but not essential. High level? That isn't going to affect anyone without a clearance.
In some ways I'd prefer to not see low level coverage because what's going to happen when two ADS-B equipped aircraft collide OCTA? "They were clearly presented on your screen yet you did nothing to warn the aircraft of the impending collision".
Despite the best efforts of some we aren't yet a state of the USA.
Last edited by le Pingouin; 25th Mar 2013 at 13:31.
The ones who cannot read a DME and VOR-------
At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, neither of the above are needed for VFR navigation. Indeed the (I hope) well know limitations of VORs could put you in controlled airspace, even though your cockpit indication may say otherwise. Just like an "inappropriate" GPS, really.
Again, at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, VFR navigation is VFR navigation, and the VFR rules, I would have thought, are reasonably clear ---- even if most of our aviation rules are anything but clear.
Anything other than your maps, compass and clock are aids to VFR navigation ---- only aids, whose limitations should be understood.
Of course, our quite unnecessarily complex airspace divisions give no assistance at all, nor does the common attitude that a VFR aircraft is some lower form of life, and hence the paucity of assistance routinely available from our "ATC" system.
Tootle pip!!
Last edited by LeadSled; 26th Mar 2013 at 00:52.
