I heard a rumour today...
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I heard a rumour today...
..and seeing as this is a rumour network, I thought I'd ask the question here.
Apparently, there is talk of allowing PPL holders to become GA instructors. Has anybody else heard of this? I'd be interested in hearing if there is any truth there..
Apparently, there is talk of allowing PPL holders to become GA instructors. Has anybody else heard of this? I'd be interested in hearing if there is any truth there..
Heard that myself from a very reliable source 
Defiantly true heard from my CFI
I know you will only be able to instruct to PPL, but i dont know any of the specifics though, or how this will even work/be governed...
I presume since its a private operation you wont have to operate under an AOC
I also presume there will be a new Private FIR?
and considering PPL holder only I presume there will be no renumeration for such operation.
If anyone would like to clarify/add details it would be great
Cheers
SW
I know you will only be able to instruct to PPL, but i dont know any of the specifics though, or how this will even work/be governed...
I presume since its a private operation you wont have to operate under an AOC
I also presume there will be a new Private FIR?
and considering PPL holder only I presume there will be no renumeration for such operation.
If anyone would like to clarify/add details it would be great
Cheers
SW
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I don't know if it still applies in the UK but when I was there mid-70s' the CFI of the club where I flew was a PPL. Nothing new except for the country that is struggling to come out of the dark ages aviation wise. 
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It is true and been on Casa documents. However it is designed so you cannot teach for profit.
So could be used by scouts or other clubs that wish to train not for income.
Jim.
So could be used by scouts or other clubs that wish to train not for income.
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1. Become an RA-Aus FTF
2. Get your not-for-profit GA instructor rating
3. Buy 2 identical LSAs, register 1 RA, one VH*
4. Do all training hours for profit in RA, according to GA syllabus
5. Hire out the VH LSA to the student for a decent rate when it's time to take the PPL check ride.
* RA-only students can fly dual in the VH craft, so not much loss of flexibility.
2. Get your not-for-profit GA instructor rating
3. Buy 2 identical LSAs, register 1 RA, one VH*
4. Do all training hours for profit in RA, according to GA syllabus
5. Hire out the VH LSA to the student for a decent rate when it's time to take the PPL check ride.
* RA-only students can fly dual in the VH craft, so not much loss of flexibility.
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Meanwhile back at the ranch, ATPL pilots with several thousands of hours will be required to complete the full Grade 3 instructor rating course if they wish to pass on any of their knowledge to up and coming GA pilots. 
PS: The British system has always had 'assistant flying instructors', it was sometimes the only way to achieve the 700 hours they required for CPL issue.
PS: The British system has always had 'assistant flying instructors', it was sometimes the only way to achieve the 700 hours they required for CPL issue.
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Does anyone else see the fundamental problem in a teenager on a restricted license teaching a teenager how to fly? This isn't about hours building or income. Teaching is about imparting knowledge.
The UK experience...
I take it that it still happens, but when there/UK in the '60s a PPL with over 300 hrs could do an Instuctors Course of 20 hrs and be qualifed to pass on the basics....and get a job. More experienced Instructors and or DoT checked out the student after ? solo, to see that yr doing it right.
When back in the 'Land of the Living Dead', early 70s, I did broach this subject with a CAA? person, as I was unable to get a CPL due medical.
I had the hours, I'd like flying job. Is that a crime.? (Sorry PPL, Yes)
Apart from the guy nearly fainting at his desk at such an outrageous suggestion, shock, horror and dismay.! I left the building before the people in white coats came to take me away. Mmm.. NOT a positive reaction.
So if this is now on the "agenda" or just a "floating idea"..or, CASA, as a "small world leader" suddenly realising that there is a shortage of instuctors, when the outside real world has known it for years.
If so, it proves that all good things come to those who wait, and wait and wait...or die first. About 50 years... mmmm ..seems about right.
Is this a rock chucked into the pond from Ye Taske Force???
A "thought" bubble popped up from the sewerage pond?
Whatever.
And of course if CASA are claiming you can't do it for money..once again they are out of their tree..regulating commerce.
Jesus, once again..in the Classification of Operations policy 1997? was it.
" A profit can be made in ALL classes of operations"
Que ?
So its less safe if the poor PPL makes a dollar, even tho he/she is qualified to do the job.?
Using that logic heres a great idea!. DONT pay those SOBs in Fort Fumble and their "work" will be safer.
When back in the 'Land of the Living Dead', early 70s, I did broach this subject with a CAA? person, as I was unable to get a CPL due medical.
I had the hours, I'd like flying job. Is that a crime.? (Sorry PPL, Yes)
Apart from the guy nearly fainting at his desk at such an outrageous suggestion, shock, horror and dismay.! I left the building before the people in white coats came to take me away. Mmm.. NOT a positive reaction.
So if this is now on the "agenda" or just a "floating idea"..or, CASA, as a "small world leader" suddenly realising that there is a shortage of instuctors, when the outside real world has known it for years.
If so, it proves that all good things come to those who wait, and wait and wait...or die first. About 50 years... mmmm ..seems about right.
Is this a rock chucked into the pond from Ye Taske Force???
A "thought" bubble popped up from the sewerage pond?
Whatever.
And of course if CASA are claiming you can't do it for money..once again they are out of their tree..regulating commerce.
Jesus, once again..in the Classification of Operations policy 1997? was it.
" A profit can be made in ALL classes of operations"
Que ?
So its less safe if the poor PPL makes a dollar, even tho he/she is qualified to do the job.?
Using that logic heres a great idea!. DONT pay those SOBs in Fort Fumble and their "work" will be safer.
Via aroa: ...More experienced Instructors and or DoT checked out the student after ? solo, to see that yr doing it right...
...Heh, ah suppose if they survived the 'instructor' weren't all that bad..
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Meanwhile back at the ranch, ATPL pilots with several thousands of hours will be required to complete the full Grade 3 instructor rating course if they wish to pass on any of their knowledge to up and coming GA pilots.
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Would yo seriously want to see "retired" airline pilots with no training
attempting a PPL stall lesson??
So much for CASA raising the instructor standards. If this goes ahead it will be a complete cluster f-
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If someone said to me, "work out how we can get PPL's instructing," I would do the following:
- Set a minimum number of hours for a PPL holder to be eligible
- Sit an instructors course, the same as the one that exists now, but you wouldn't have a CPL
- Sit an AFR as required
- Only teach to PPL level
- ATO still sits the test
- You can charge for your services
- No "career" progression, you are always just an Grade X instructor and can't teach CPL
- If you have an endorsement, you can teach it
Let's see what happens if it's not a wind-up, but that being said I've been hearing about this for a number of years. If you can't get paid for it, there will be little incentive to get the rating especially if it's financially onerous.
What I am thinking will actually happen is quite different. I am thinking that this has something to do with the RPL where a PPL can teach for example an RA-Aus pilot or fresh student to the required standard. Then we will hear that it's 2 POB only and 1,500 kg MTOW. We shall see...
- Set a minimum number of hours for a PPL holder to be eligible
- Sit an instructors course, the same as the one that exists now, but you wouldn't have a CPL
- Sit an AFR as required
- Only teach to PPL level
- ATO still sits the test
- You can charge for your services
- No "career" progression, you are always just an Grade X instructor and can't teach CPL
- If you have an endorsement, you can teach it
Let's see what happens if it's not a wind-up, but that being said I've been hearing about this for a number of years. If you can't get paid for it, there will be little incentive to get the rating especially if it's financially onerous.
What I am thinking will actually happen is quite different. I am thinking that this has something to do with the RPL where a PPL can teach for example an RA-Aus pilot or fresh student to the required standard. Then we will hear that it's 2 POB only and 1,500 kg MTOW. We shall see...
Well I'm a recently retired Airline Pilot, who has just completed a Grade 3, and it is interesting to see the different way of doing things. With the stall, GA is still teaching the minimum loss of height thing, with full power and nose back up to the horizon. (works well in a light aeroplane).
At high altitude in a jet, that will not not quite work the same. Just go back into a secondary stall. Shame the two sides of the industry seem unable and incapable of learning from each other.
At high altitude in a jet, that will not not quite work the same. Just go back into a secondary stall. Shame the two sides of the industry seem unable and incapable of learning from each other.