Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions
Reload this Page >

Channel 10 Chopper Reported Crash Near Perth.

Wikiposts
Search
The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions The place for students, instructors and charter guys in Oz, NZ and the rest of Oceania.

Channel 10 Chopper Reported Crash Near Perth.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 19th Jan 2013, 03:45
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Up The 116E, Stbd Turn at 32S...:-)
Age: 82
Posts: 3,096
Received 45 Likes on 20 Posts
Channel 10 Chopper Reported Crash Near Perth.

A Channel 10 Bell Jet Ranger has reportedly 'crashed' at Baskerville, a NE suburb of Perth whilst filming the scene of a truck roll-over...
Crew OK, minor injuries.


"CHANNEL 10 news helicopter has crashed in Perth's Swan Valley.

An Australian Transport Safety Bureau spokesman said they had received preliminary reports that the Bell 206 helicopter hit the ground hard while it was filming a traffic incident at Baskerville.

The helicopter was understood to be filming a truck rollover on Weir Road when the crash happened this morning.

The spokesman said initial advice was that the helicopter sustained substantial damage.

A cameraman on board the chopper and the pilot escaped with minor injuries and are being taken to hospital.

Police and firefighters are at the scene."

More up to date reports calling it a 'hard landing' and machine on its side in pieces....
Crew OK - minor injuries reported.

Last edited by Ex FSO GRIFFO; 19th Jan 2013 at 04:02.
Ex FSO GRIFFO is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 04:07
  #2 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Up The 116E, Stbd Turn at 32S...:-)
Age: 82
Posts: 3,096
Received 45 Likes on 20 Posts
Here's a link to a photo just released...

Channel 10 news helicopter crashes in Perth | Perth Now
Ex FSO GRIFFO is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 06:19
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Mel-burn
Posts: 4,875
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Looks to have come to a rest right next to a powerline. Wonder if that was a contributing factor...
VH-XXX is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 09:14
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 110
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Amazing footage of the last few seconds prior to the crash and the crew getting out on the commercial news tonight. Was it shown 'over east'? If not, I'll edit and upload somewhere.
SimonBl is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 09:22
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Mydadsbag
Posts: 1,113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Looks to be broken in 2 pieces. Wonder if that was a contributing factor?

Bbbzbzbbzbzbzbzbzbzbzzzzzz
Mr.Buzzy is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 10:00
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Aoteoroa
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Video Footage Here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB2_cz2VRJs
quadradar is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 10:09
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Theville
Age: 43
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
206, hot day, high, spinning...

I'd be looking toward LTE.
Username here is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 10:14
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Aoteoroa
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
LTE

What is LTE?
LTE is an uncommanded, rapid yaw towards the advancing blade which does not subside of its own accord. It can result in the loss of the aircraft if left unchecked.

Which helicopters are susceptible to LTE?

All helicopters with a single main rotor and tail rotor are susceptible to LTE. Those helicopters equipped with a Fenestron are affected by a similar phenomenon traditionally known as 'Fenestron Stall'. The Bell Jetranger is statistically the most likely to encounter LTE and it is this type which caused the FAA to look more closely at the problem back in the 1980s.

Is LTE caused by a mechanical defect?

No. LTE is caused by an aerodynamic interaction between the main rotor and tail rotor. Some helicopter types (Jetranger) are more likely to encounter LTE due to the insufficient thrust produced by having a tail rotor which meets certification standards, but which is not always able to produce the thrust demanded by the pilot.
quadradar is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 10:29
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tjuntjuntjarra
Age: 54
Posts: 336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
For the uninitiated, LTE=Loss of Tailrotor Effectiveness.
aileron_69 is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 11:42
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere Hot n Sandy
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Welcome to the group of us that have a mismatch between take off and landings !
Fission is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 11:42
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Sydney NSW Australia
Posts: 3,051
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cameraman mentioned something in his interview about the engine quitting.
Ultralights is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 11:54
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere Hot n Sandy
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There's an effin' loud alert that goes off when the turbine fails - it's frighteningly similar to the sound of a piece of medical equipment ...... shame there's no audio from the on board camera.

LTE can sneak up on you without warning - just as quickly as engine failure.

Either way - good job from a great driver !
Fission is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 12:04
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: in the classroom of life
Age: 55
Posts: 6,864
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Indeed UL,

I know nothing of flying helps, but from the little I do, a loss of power at very low level does not give much time to execute a neat autorotation.

If there is a mechanical failure and the tail rotor is not functional I can only imagine its terrifying to say the least.
Jabawocky is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 21:37
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: More than 300km from SY, Australia
Posts: 817
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
atsb report

A quick browse of the atsb web site shows 28 occurrences for a search on "Loss of tail rotor effectiveness"

The following report from 1983 is very similar to the current one in WAust.

Worth a read:

http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/24697/198202438.pdf

Also the 10 year GA summary gives some insight into the GA data that is sobering, but indicates the improvement made in the 90's

http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/36723/F...how_happen.pdf ..... being 1999 to 2000

And the up to date [2011] are at:

Aviation Occurrence Statistics 2001 to 2010

Just a Sunday morning read!!

Last edited by Up-into-the-air; 19th Jan 2013 at 22:22. Reason: more stuff
Up-into-the-air is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2013, 21:56
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The comment"it's the first crash in 21 years "is an odd one, how many crashes does one expect from a helo, they seem to tear themselves to pieces when the ground arrives. I guess a hard landing is repairable ,but I've seen a lot of helo salvage photos and they all pretty buggered
Met
metalman2 is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2013, 00:23
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tjuntjuntjarra
Age: 54
Posts: 336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Its the first crash in 21 years that Heliwest has had, not that particular Jetbox.
aileron_69 is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2013, 01:07
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere Hot n Sandy
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Interesting. How bent must a machine be before it's classed as a crash ?
Fission is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2013, 01:10
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I'm probably being a bit harsh here but I love the way the Camera man runs away without helping the Pilot!!

Good outcome though.
nitpicker330 is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2013, 03:22
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Melbourne
Age: 60
Posts: 952
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm probably being a bit harsh here but I love the way the Camera man runs away without helping the Pilot!!
Was thinking the same.

DIVOSH!
Di_Vosh is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2013, 03:23
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,509
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
I'm probably being a bit harsh here but I love the way the Camera man runs away without helping the Pilot!!
Hmmm... easy to say i guess. Last little bingle i were in, when i smelt fuel, i got out - fast. From what ah seen it dont take much fuel to make a big WHUMP.




.
Flying Binghi is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.