Channel 10 Chopper Reported Crash Near Perth.
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All this safety management system rubbish is bureaucracy gone mad to account for the lowest common denominator. Let people turn their own brains back on without having to be regulated and take some responsibility for themselves.
Ive had a gutfull of the "hanger onners" in this industry. They add very little and make a days work a ballache!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I agree with the thought of LTE. Over the years there has being 2 media helicopter crashes in Australia that I know of where LTE was the cause.The first is the Channel 7 helicopter that crashed at Lang Lang in Victoria in the early 80's while filming a truck crash and the second was a Channel 10 helicopter in Sydney that crashed while filming the city to surf fun run. In more recent times an R44 had LTE while filming a yacht race in Melbourne,but the big difference is this pilot had the altitude to recover and make a successful emergency landing.
Let people turn their own brains back on without having to be regulated and take some responsibility for themselves.
Plenty of responses have belittled the TV stations for the things that appear in the news, for which they dispatch the aerial news-gatherer. I have flown many a media group, and I was amazed by the effort I had to go through to get an approval to land on a suburban sports field, negotiate a flight plan with ATC and dodge various fixed-wing on finals for Mascot, only to find out that the crew was planning to interview some rockape football player. Waste of good resources.
But that is what the news director wants, a 5-second grab with a cauliflower-eared millionaire. Or a shot of a truck that rolled over.
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[QUOTE]Sadly in this litigious society, some ambulance-chasing lawyer will sue the operator for not forcing the cameraman to wear safety gear and to attend courses such as HUET./QUOTE]
He actually praised his HUET training undertaken only recently as being a factor in him getting out alive
plenty of footage on you tube etc.
He did what I tell and expect my pax to do and fortunately was able to survive a ride from hell to be ball busted by all and sundry sitting in front of a computer
Best wishes to both men
He actually praised his HUET training undertaken only recently as being a factor in him getting out alive
plenty of footage on you tube etc.
He did what I tell and expect my pax to do and fortunately was able to survive a ride from hell to be ball busted by all and sundry sitting in front of a computer
Best wishes to both men
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I tend to be more of the opinion that the crew can wear what they like.
They know their job
and if they are too stupid to wear the appropriate clothing for the task they are performing then more fool them. Its their problem. All this safety management system rubbish is bureaucracy gone mad to account for the lowest common denominator.
Let people turn their own brains back on without having to be regulated and take some responsibility for themselves.
No it doesn't need an SMS, i see it as simply as one of my apprentices using an angle grinder without goggles or ear muffs. A simple tap on the shoulder and chat will normally suffice. Like you say some common sense.
TV helo ops are dangerous, and i think all crew members should at least get advise on ways they can best protect themselves in the even of the unthinkable.
Think about it.....PIC is wearing full gear.......................................
would you/should you say something to the cameraman?
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The Lang Lang one was interesting. Aside from the fact that it was overloaded, a witness (whom I know of and have recently spoken to) reported hearing a bang followed by LTE but if I'm not mistaken was not mentioned in the report. Seems that you void all warranties if you are over MTOW so to speak.
In more recent times an R44 had LTE while filming a yacht race in Melbourne,but the big difference is this pilot had the altitude to recover and
make a successful emergency landing.
make a successful emergency landing.
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Motorola you shouldnt be allowed within 500 miles of a keyboard and internet connection.
Who they hell are you to judge? Were you there? Have you ever been in those circumstances yourself? Do you have anything other than some out of context media footage and your own opinion to support throwing around slanderous comments about someone and something you know nothing about. I would say you wouldnt know enough to be able to tell your arse was on fire until your ears started burning.
If you were any kind of aviator you would know that protocol demands that the pilots instructions are followed to the letter - ever thought the pilot in this case might have given the comand to get the hell out asap? Did you ever consider had the cameraman questioned protocol and gone against his training and proceedures it could have cost both of them their lives? I could go on, but why bother, if youre not starting to get it by about now, you probably never will. Id hate to be your PIC in an emergency situation, you would be a lose cannon, if the crash didnt prove fatal your actions probably would.
For the record, what you didnt see footage of was the cameraman realising the pilot had not exited the aircraft and going back for him, only to be restrained from doing so by some of the many emergency services staff who were already in attendance for the initial truck rollover.
You owe the cameraman a very ppublic pprune apology, the only question is - do you have the integrity to make it?
I understand the knitting circle here survives mostly on a diet of gossip, speculation and confabulation but your comments go way past that. You are rude, ignorant, out of line and with absolutely no respect for the people involved. You are a coward and an idiot. You hide behind a screen, expousing potentially hurtful crap under a ficticious name. If youre going to bag someone grow some balls and man up, otherwise, shut the hell up Mouth. Fools like you really sh*t me.
Who they hell are you to judge? Were you there? Have you ever been in those circumstances yourself? Do you have anything other than some out of context media footage and your own opinion to support throwing around slanderous comments about someone and something you know nothing about. I would say you wouldnt know enough to be able to tell your arse was on fire until your ears started burning.
If you were any kind of aviator you would know that protocol demands that the pilots instructions are followed to the letter - ever thought the pilot in this case might have given the comand to get the hell out asap? Did you ever consider had the cameraman questioned protocol and gone against his training and proceedures it could have cost both of them their lives? I could go on, but why bother, if youre not starting to get it by about now, you probably never will. Id hate to be your PIC in an emergency situation, you would be a lose cannon, if the crash didnt prove fatal your actions probably would.
For the record, what you didnt see footage of was the cameraman realising the pilot had not exited the aircraft and going back for him, only to be restrained from doing so by some of the many emergency services staff who were already in attendance for the initial truck rollover.
You owe the cameraman a very ppublic pprune apology, the only question is - do you have the integrity to make it?
I understand the knitting circle here survives mostly on a diet of gossip, speculation and confabulation but your comments go way past that. You are rude, ignorant, out of line and with absolutely no respect for the people involved. You are a coward and an idiot. You hide behind a screen, expousing potentially hurtful crap under a ficticious name. If youre going to bag someone grow some balls and man up, otherwise, shut the hell up Mouth. Fools like you really sh*t me.
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Aerodynamisist- there was no fire
hearing a bang followed by LTE
Back to sleeping in your car at YSBK mate....
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Happy with your explanation as I'm not a heli pilot. In my mind if the tail rotor isn't spinning then it's not being effective, which is technically incorrect. So LTE isn't mechanical, makes sense. Poor terminology on my behalf. To rephrase, loud bang, followed by spinning. As for sleeping in the car it was only really a powernap whilst waiting for them to open up.
