Any news on Barrier? Minus the drift.
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ABC News 24 December, 2012 5:15PM AEST
© The Cairns Post
ABC News Friday 15th February 2013
ABC News 24 December, 2012 5:15PM AEST
CASA extends Barrier Aviation's suspension
By Sam Davis A Cairns based aircraft charter service says it expects considerable financial losses following the Civil Aviation Safety Authority's [CASA] decision to extend its suspension to February 15.
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The extension follows Sunday's statement from CASA announcing it would take Barrier Aviation [BA] out of the air because of 'a range of maintenance related deficiencies'.
The initial suspension meant BA would have been grounded for five working days but the company's 55 employees will now spend Christmas mulling more than two months out of action.
Following the first suspension BA said more than 750 people may not make it home for the holidays.
It is now unclear how many people will be inconvenienced.
BA runs around 30 flights a day out of Horn Island, Darwin, Gove and Cairns.
Manager David Kilin said the timing could not have been worse for the company.
"It's totally wrecked our Christmas," he said.
"It appears they've reacted to allegations made by a disgruntled former employee. The allegations put to us ... are mainly related to maintenance."
In a statement released Sunday CASA said it regrets any inconvenience to passengers but that safety of passengers was their main concern.
"CASA has evidence of Barrier Aviation directing pilots to fly with serious and known aircraft defects, as well as not recording those defects on aircraft maintenance documentation when the defects became known," the statement said.
But Mr Kilin said BA has a strong safety record and has never been taken out of the air since the company was founded 20 years ago.
"We're vigorously defending our position. With the holiday period it makes it awkward," he said. "It's just disappointing. The timing of this almost seems like it was premeditated."
"I think perhaps there are individuals in CASA who are responsible for orchestrating some of this."
CASA's Peter Gibson said further time was needed to investigate concerns about BA's maintenance of their fleet.
"These allegations are very serious," Mr Gibson said. "Obviously not maintaining an aircraft properly, fixing faults ... puts at risk the entire safety of an aircraft during its flight. We can't condone that in Australian aviation."
CASA would not comment on whether current or former employees had approached them with evidence of maintenance problems on any of BA's 34 planes.
By Sam Davis A Cairns based aircraft charter service says it expects considerable financial losses following the Civil Aviation Safety Authority's [CASA] decision to extend its suspension to February 15.
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The extension follows Sunday's statement from CASA announcing it would take Barrier Aviation [BA] out of the air because of 'a range of maintenance related deficiencies'.
The initial suspension meant BA would have been grounded for five working days but the company's 55 employees will now spend Christmas mulling more than two months out of action.
Following the first suspension BA said more than 750 people may not make it home for the holidays.
It is now unclear how many people will be inconvenienced.
BA runs around 30 flights a day out of Horn Island, Darwin, Gove and Cairns.
Manager David Kilin said the timing could not have been worse for the company.
"It's totally wrecked our Christmas," he said.
"It appears they've reacted to allegations made by a disgruntled former employee. The allegations put to us ... are mainly related to maintenance."
In a statement released Sunday CASA said it regrets any inconvenience to passengers but that safety of passengers was their main concern.
"CASA has evidence of Barrier Aviation directing pilots to fly with serious and known aircraft defects, as well as not recording those defects on aircraft maintenance documentation when the defects became known," the statement said.
But Mr Kilin said BA has a strong safety record and has never been taken out of the air since the company was founded 20 years ago.
"We're vigorously defending our position. With the holiday period it makes it awkward," he said. "It's just disappointing. The timing of this almost seems like it was premeditated."
"I think perhaps there are individuals in CASA who are responsible for orchestrating some of this."
CASA's Peter Gibson said further time was needed to investigate concerns about BA's maintenance of their fleet.
"These allegations are very serious," Mr Gibson said. "Obviously not maintaining an aircraft properly, fixing faults ... puts at risk the entire safety of an aircraft during its flight. We can't condone that in Australian aviation."
CASA would not comment on whether current or former employees had approached them with evidence of maintenance problems on any of BA's 34 planes.
Barrier still in no-fly zone
Michael Serenc
Monday, January 7, 2013
© The Cairns Post
THE stand-off between Barrier Aviation and the Civil Aviation Safety Authority has continued, with neither party taking any significant action since the airline was suspended from flying until February 15.
Principal lawyer representing Barrier Aviation, Derek Perkins, said Barrier was still awaiting the results of CASA's investigation.
"The cards are all in CASA's hands in terms of the court process and their ability to maintain an investigation whilst the airline is suspended," Mr Perkins said.
"CASA have been quiet and we've been quiet. Everyone's got their heads down."
In an open letter written to CASA on January 1, Mr Perkins estimated the airline was haemorrhaging $28,000 a day since being grounded and had suffered "severe reputational damage".
Barrier's sudden grounding, which was initiated by CASA on December 23, has affected the airline's entire fleet of 34 aircraft and 55 staff, spread across their bases in Cairns, Darwin, Gove and Horn Island.
The regulator claims it has evidence of Barrier "directing pilots to fly with serious and known aircraft defects, as well as not recording those defects on aircraft maintenance documentation when the defects became known".
The charter airline was initially handed a five-day suspension but that was extended by CASA after an application to the Federal Court.
CASA spokesman Peter Gibson said the regulator's investigation was still ongoing.
"We've got a lot of material to work through. We have got a dedicated team working on it," Mr Gibson said. "We'll complete that as quickly as we possibly can."
Mr Gibson said it was "too early to say" if CASA was on track to lift the suspension on the airline.
"Barrier have said to us that they were going to put a plan to us to address the issues that we've identified so far," he said.
"Now, we haven't seen that yet, but that may be of assistance."
The airline has had strong support from fellow local operator Hinterland Aviation.
Michael Serenc
Monday, January 7, 2013
© The Cairns Post
THE stand-off between Barrier Aviation and the Civil Aviation Safety Authority has continued, with neither party taking any significant action since the airline was suspended from flying until February 15.
Principal lawyer representing Barrier Aviation, Derek Perkins, said Barrier was still awaiting the results of CASA's investigation.
"The cards are all in CASA's hands in terms of the court process and their ability to maintain an investigation whilst the airline is suspended," Mr Perkins said.
"CASA have been quiet and we've been quiet. Everyone's got their heads down."
In an open letter written to CASA on January 1, Mr Perkins estimated the airline was haemorrhaging $28,000 a day since being grounded and had suffered "severe reputational damage".
Barrier's sudden grounding, which was initiated by CASA on December 23, has affected the airline's entire fleet of 34 aircraft and 55 staff, spread across their bases in Cairns, Darwin, Gove and Horn Island.
The regulator claims it has evidence of Barrier "directing pilots to fly with serious and known aircraft defects, as well as not recording those defects on aircraft maintenance documentation when the defects became known".
The charter airline was initially handed a five-day suspension but that was extended by CASA after an application to the Federal Court.
CASA spokesman Peter Gibson said the regulator's investigation was still ongoing.
"We've got a lot of material to work through. We have got a dedicated team working on it," Mr Gibson said. "We'll complete that as quickly as we possibly can."
Mr Gibson said it was "too early to say" if CASA was on track to lift the suspension on the airline.
"Barrier have said to us that they were going to put a plan to us to address the issues that we've identified so far," he said.
"Now, we haven't seen that yet, but that may be of assistance."
The airline has had strong support from fellow local operator Hinterland Aviation.
ABC News Friday 15th February 2013
Court orders grounded airline to mediation
By Sharnie Kim
Updated Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:53pm AEDT
PHOTO: Barrier Aviation has since had to stand down all its staff and says it is at risk of financial collapse. (ABC TV News - file image)
RELATED STORY: Grounded far north Qld airline fears closure
MAP: Cairns 4870
The Federal Court has ordered the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) and grounded far north Queensland-based airline Barrier Aviation to go to a mediator.
CASA suspended all of the airline's operations in December last year amid serious safety concerns.
Barrier Aviation has since had to stand down all its staff and says it is at risk of financial collapse.
A CASA spokesman says mediation talks are expected to be held ahead of another Federal Court directions hearing next Friday.
By Sharnie Kim
Updated Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:53pm AEDT
PHOTO: Barrier Aviation has since had to stand down all its staff and says it is at risk of financial collapse. (ABC TV News - file image)
RELATED STORY: Grounded far north Qld airline fears closure
MAP: Cairns 4870
The Federal Court has ordered the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) and grounded far north Queensland-based airline Barrier Aviation to go to a mediator.
CASA suspended all of the airline's operations in December last year amid serious safety concerns.
Barrier Aviation has since had to stand down all its staff and says it is at risk of financial collapse.
A CASA spokesman says mediation talks are expected to be held ahead of another Federal Court directions hearing next Friday.
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Been looking this matter in the Federal Court information for what happened on Friday 22nd February 2013:
Barrier Aviation – Cairns | Assistance to the Aviation Industry
This shows the full file - The matter appears finalised.
Barrier Aviation – Cairns | Assistance to the Aviation Industry
This shows the full file - The matter appears finalised.
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Yesterdays order:
THE COURT ORDERS BY CONSENT THAT:
1. Pursuant to s 30DE(2) of the Civil Aviation Act 1988 (Cth) the respondent be prohibited from doing anything that would otherwise be authorised by the Air Operator’s Certificate held by the respondent for a period ending at 5pm on Friday 22 February 2013.
2. Each party bear its own costs of the proceedings.
http://vocasupport.com/wp-content/up...s-for-file.pdf
THE COURT ORDERS BY CONSENT THAT:
1. Pursuant to s 30DE(2) of the Civil Aviation Act 1988 (Cth) the respondent be prohibited from doing anything that would otherwise be authorised by the Air Operator’s Certificate held by the respondent for a period ending at 5pm on Friday 22 February 2013.
2. Each party bear its own costs of the proceedings.
http://vocasupport.com/wp-content/up...s-for-file.pdf
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Lazy bugger UITA!
Tell the story for FFS:
ASSISTED DISPUTE RESOLUTION filed by CIVIL AVIATION SAFETY AUTHORITY(A) on 20-FEB-2013
20-Feb-2013
Closed
21-Feb-2013
Court Events and Orders
Details
21-Feb-2013
10:15
Mediation
Registrar Tesoriero
Level 17 Mediation Room
Finalised - Resolved
ADR Outcomes (needed to allow entering of an outcome only)
ADR - Held, Resolved - Finalised
Radix I guess that means it has been resolved...it now depends on whether DK and his crew can afford to continue to operate??
Tell the story for FFS:ASSISTED DISPUTE RESOLUTION filed by CIVIL AVIATION SAFETY AUTHORITY(A) on 20-FEB-2013
20-Feb-2013
Closed
21-Feb-2013
Court Events and Orders
Details
21-Feb-2013
10:15
Mediation
Registrar Tesoriero
Level 17 Mediation Room
Finalised - Resolved
Order Type
Decision Type
ADR Outcomes (needed to allow entering of an outcome only)
ADR - Held, Resolved - Finalised
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To me it says the judge didn't have the minerals to make a final call on the matter. Instead letting the suspension run out at 5pm on the 22nd. Leaving CAsA open to slap another 5 day suspension (which they did) on Barrier and start the financial strangling all over again.
That's my take on it anyway and I may be way off the mark.
That's my take on it anyway and I may be way off the mark.
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Leaving CAsA open to slap another 5 day suspension (which they did) on Barrier and start the financial strangling all over again.
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The story so far.
Just reading the thread; details, facts and information seem to be thin on the ground. Happy to be wrong but:-
Barrier and CASA go to court. The Judge hears two arguments and CASA only put a token show of resistance, which protects a large chunk of their case, but does enough to ensure a go away and "mediate" ruling.
The next step is a failed 'mediation' which opens the 5 day door, to be followed by a Show Cause, then into the AAT under Rafferty's rules.
Creamie, if you're out there; coukl you give us a steer on the implications of the 20 Feb. 13 court ruling. (Sarcs #27). Seems to me if there are two willing parties then a way forward could be mapped out so CASA can, with a clear conscience say they did their bit; and, the operator pulls a finger out and cleans up the untidy areas of their act. Puzzled, and probably got it arse about, but I'm curious now.
Barrier and CASA go to court. The Judge hears two arguments and CASA only put a token show of resistance, which protects a large chunk of their case, but does enough to ensure a go away and "mediate" ruling.
The next step is a failed 'mediation' which opens the 5 day door, to be followed by a Show Cause, then into the AAT under Rafferty's rules.
Creamie, if you're out there; coukl you give us a steer on the implications of the 20 Feb. 13 court ruling. (Sarcs #27). Seems to me if there are two willing parties then a way forward could be mapped out so CASA can, with a clear conscience say they did their bit; and, the operator pulls a finger out and cleans up the untidy areas of their act. Puzzled, and probably got it arse about, but I'm curious now.
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Josh Cox:
You show your "colours" here. You have not put in the complete order. This may explain why Kharon can't see the play here by FF.
Barrier Aviation – “Orders” | Assistance to the Aviation Industry
Please read carefully. And for JC, here is the reference he made - READ!!!
You show your "colours" here. You have not put in the complete order. This may explain why Kharon can't see the play here by FF.
Barrier Aviation – “Orders” | Assistance to the Aviation Industry
Please read carefully. And for JC, here is the reference he made - READ!!!
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Uita,
If you were trying to say something important, try using plain language.
"Colours", what are you babbling about ?, I don't work for barrier..........
Thanks for posting the whole order, I was unable to do it on my android phone.
If you were trying to say something important, try using plain language.
"Colours", what are you babbling about ?, I don't work for barrier..........
Thanks for posting the whole order, I was unable to do it on my android phone.
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If barrier are so naughty, why then hasn't that been proven in the federal court, you know, last week when they were there ?.
Be naughty = get caught and be proven in court = punishment.
Be naughty = get caught and be proven in court = punishment.
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Seriously Josh. Your bias is to the point of absurdity. Have you ever stopped to think that IF this was as cut and dry as you continuously say it is, then the company in question would be back in the air already, or indeed the unpleasantness of it all would never have begun in the first place. Your loyalty is commendable though its making you sound like a goose.
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Maybe it's:
Maybe Naughty [Depend on dodgy statements to go to AAT]
= Ground the Operation
= Go to Court [Operator in a Court which requires proper evidence and collection of evidence and meeting the AGIS standard]
= Not Enough viable evidence
= What's next [Use collected evidence that may not meet Court standards in another forum???]
Maybe Naughty [Depend on dodgy statements to go to AAT]
= Ground the Operation
= Go to Court [Operator in a Court which requires proper evidence and collection of evidence and meeting the AGIS standard]
= Not Enough viable evidence
= What's next [Use collected evidence that may not meet Court standards in another forum???]
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Across the whole legal system, guilt has to be proven, if the prosecution can not prove guilt, then it didn't happen.
If Mr Richardson's evidence, the hundreds of tax payer funded hours of investigation and the ceasure of someone's personal diary was insufficient to obtain a conviction , perhaps there is a reason you that.
From what I've heard this individual was sacked by another operator prior to working for barrier, was universally hated by all at barrier and sacked for multiple dangerous acts in an aircraft.
If Mr Richardson's evidence, the hundreds of tax payer funded hours of investigation and the ceasure of someone's personal diary was insufficient to obtain a conviction , perhaps there is a reason you that.
From what I've heard this individual was sacked by another operator prior to working for barrier, was universally hated by all at barrier and sacked for multiple dangerous acts in an aircraft.