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The fact of climate change is totally accepted in the scientific community. Whether we like it or not the climate is changing and the increased greenhouse effect is a cause.
I'm not saying the carbon tax is the right solution but to deny climate science is ridiculous.
Baswell, 
I'm not saying the carbon tax is the right solution but to deny climate science is ridiculous.
1 out of every 100 scientists is rumoured to say global warming is not human-caused and is not changing the climate, so that's the one we go with.
via DutchRoll;
...you've been denying the realities of basic physics for quite some time now, right Binghi?
...you've been denying the realities of basic physics for quite some time now, right Binghi?
Do tell DutchRoll, what "basic physics" have ah been "denying"..
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The 'fact' the climate changes is accepted by all as far as i can see. The climate has always been changing since before human time and the climate always will change - Fact.
Rrriiight... so two thousand odd years ago we had the warmer then today Roman warm period, then we had a mini ice age, then we got a warmer then today medieval warm period followed by a little ice age which we came out of a couple of hundred years ago and the planet has been steadily warming to today.... Hmmm. So where does human Co2 emmisssions take effect - the Roman warm period?, the medieval warm period?,...
Oh, i dunno - there's a few so-called climate scientists who 'deny' science..
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via mcgrath50;
The fact of climate change is totally accepted in the scientific community...
The fact of climate change is totally accepted in the scientific community...
The 'fact' the climate changes is accepted by all as far as i can see. The climate has always been changing since before human time and the climate always will change - Fact.
via mcgrath50;
...Whether we like it or not the climate is changing and the increased greenhouse effect is a cause...
...Whether we like it or not the climate is changing and the increased greenhouse effect is a cause...
via mcgrath50;
I'm not saying the carbon tax is the right solution but to deny climate science is ridiculous.
I'm not saying the carbon tax is the right solution but to deny climate science is ridiculous.
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Global Warming is already having a detrimental effect on weather patterns and sea levels
You've been conned bro
A good summary of the proof ladies and gentlemen:
Climate Change: Evidence
Two articles discussing rising temperatures:
Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP)
CRU Information Sheet no. 1: Global Temperature Record
A study to see if climate scientists really are in agreement:
The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change
And an article that uses evidence to show we are currently warmer than the medieval warm period:
NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data
A couple of minutes on google found me all that, from reputable government, university and scientific journal websites. But please find me proof that climate change isn't occurring.
I await with interest.
Climate Change: Evidence
Two articles discussing rising temperatures:
Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP)
CRU Information Sheet no. 1: Global Temperature Record
A study to see if climate scientists really are in agreement:
The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change
And an article that uses evidence to show we are currently warmer than the medieval warm period:
NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data
A couple of minutes on google found me all that, from reputable government, university and scientific journal websites. But please find me proof that climate change isn't occurring.
I await with interest.
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FACT: Whichever side you're on, you're going to find facts, opinions, numbers and reports to back what you want to put across. What isn't called for is the typical smugness the same group of people here show when someone offers a different opinion to the one that you've chosen, especially after putting across what is laughable evidence and expecting that's the end of the discussion.
There are currently 0 climate scientists in any of these discussions. What makes any of you think your opinion is more correct than any one else's?
There are currently 0 climate scientists in any of these discussions. What makes any of you think your opinion is more correct than any one else's?
Whichever side you're on, you're going to find facts, opinions, numbers and reports to back what you want to put across.
What makes any of you think your opinion is more correct than any one else's?
Ozbusdriver has posted an interesting article, that a quick google can't denounce. Although I am 'sceptical' of how accurate it may be as it's put out by a private institution for climate sceptics rather than a peer-reviewed scientific journal. But at least we are starting to quote evidence in this debate rather than resort name calling.
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In ALL the peer review papers the Co2 debate on human activity contribution is overshadowed by the Co2 that is put into the atmosphere by lightning initiated wild fires in unihabited forest areas.
So does human Co2 emmisssions take effect yes but to a significantly lesser effect than forest fires that have always been there.
So does human Co2 emmisssions take effect yes but to a significantly lesser effect than forest fires that have always been there.
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I have chosen to believe evidence that I have read and what I believe is overwhelming scientific opinion.
Do not believe the "overwhelming scientific opinion" line. The ABC and the pro-warmists such as Tim Flannery regularly espouse it, but it is complete rubbish.
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Carbon dioxide is known to effect the thermal capacity of the atmosphere, humans have been assisting with the introduction of more CO2 into the atmosphere in our history though it has been higher in pre-historic times.
The modeling that was introduced 10 years ago showing that global warming was spiraling ever upwards has proved to be flawed, and scientists can't seem to agree on a model that makes sense and agrees with the current data.
That said, I think it's time to take CO2 production seriously and take steps to reduce our carbon output.
However I fail to see how a 'wealth re-distribution' tax, with the later option of buying trees in Brazil is going to help us develop carbon reducing technologies or jobs.
The modeling that was introduced 10 years ago showing that global warming was spiraling ever upwards has proved to be flawed, and scientists can't seem to agree on a model that makes sense and agrees with the current data.
That said, I think it's time to take CO2 production seriously and take steps to reduce our carbon output.
However I fail to see how a 'wealth re-distribution' tax, with the later option of buying trees in Brazil is going to help us develop carbon reducing technologies or jobs.
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'Tis said that the period of 'most' CO2 in the atmosphere occurred around 165 M years ago - in the period of the dinosaurs - when the land was rather warm, and had lots of rain forest / foliage.....
The demise of which was hardly caused by humans causing 'Global Warming'.....
'Tis also shown over time that the good ole Earth 'pulsates' with regard to temps etc.
So nothing is constant - or 'new'.... Just as the Continents are 'on the move'...just like B.P. fuels.....
'Tis a luvly noice day over 'ere....I'm going flying..!!
(And cause some more 'Global Warming'.....
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The demise of which was hardly caused by humans causing 'Global Warming'.....
'Tis also shown over time that the good ole Earth 'pulsates' with regard to temps etc.
So nothing is constant - or 'new'.... Just as the Continents are 'on the move'...just like B.P. fuels.....
'Tis a luvly noice day over 'ere....I'm going flying..!!
(And cause some more 'Global Warming'.....
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The ignorance of some will never cease to amaze me. Climate change is not a myth. I suppose you think evolution is a lefty liberal conspiracy theory as well.
If 9 out of 10 doctors (99 out of 100 is probably more accurate) told you you had cancer and you should do something about it, why the f**k would you listen to the one who said you didn't? Sure, he could be right. But I'll take my chances with the other 9.
If 9 out of 10 doctors (99 out of 100 is probably more accurate) told you you had cancer and you should do something about it, why the f**k would you listen to the one who said you didn't? Sure, he could be right. But I'll take my chances with the other 9.
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None of us have said “Climate Change” is a myth. You obviously have a problem with reading and comprehension.
Prove 99 out of 100 scientistist agree with AGW. Oh and quoting quotes from the ABC or BBC or UN doesn’t count. The fact is almost all the scientists that push the “AGW theory” are on the teat of the tax payer where they have seen their funding increase in the order of 1000% over the last 10 years. It is in their own selfish interest to maintain this sham theory so they can keep their filthy snouts firmly planted in the tax payer funded money trough.
Climate change is not a myth.
If 9 out of 10 doctors (99 out of 100 is probably more accurate) told you you had cancer and you should do something about it, why the f**k would you listen to the one who said you didn't?
ha yeah those scientists are a selfish lot, willing to sell out their morals for a few bucks.
Have you ever met a scientist? Trust me, they're not doing it for the lavish lifestyle.
Regardless of whether or not you believe in climate change, spewing all this sh!t into the atmosphere is not good for the planet and implementing regulation that incentivises innovation to reduce it is a good thing.
Have you ever met a scientist? Trust me, they're not doing it for the lavish lifestyle. Regardless of whether or not you believe in climate change, spewing all this sh!t into the atmosphere is not good for the planet and implementing regulation that incentivises innovation to reduce it is a good thing.
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So Mr Fonz,
As this is an aviation forum, how do you propose to prevent our favourite pastime / occupation / hobby etc ..i.e. aeroplanes. to stop 'spewing all this **** into the atmosphere'..??
I would suggest to you that one 'good' volcano would put out in a day, what 'we collectively' put out in a decade..??
Speculative, Oi know, but... have heard it expressed so....
Beware...the next Ice Age Cometh.......as it will...eventually....
As this is an aviation forum, how do you propose to prevent our favourite pastime / occupation / hobby etc ..i.e. aeroplanes. to stop 'spewing all this **** into the atmosphere'..??
I would suggest to you that one 'good' volcano would put out in a day, what 'we collectively' put out in a decade..??
Speculative, Oi know, but... have heard it expressed so....
Beware...the next Ice Age Cometh.......as it will...eventually....
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